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U.S. Department of State
96/07/23 Briefing with Russian ForMin Primakov, Indonesia
Office of the Spokesman

                        U.S. Department of State 
                        Office of the Spokesman 
                          (Jakarta, Indonesia) 
For Immediate Release                                 July 23, 1996 
                            Jakarta, Indonesia 
                               July 23, 1996 
FOREIGN MINISTER PRIMAKOV: (Through Interpreter)  Ladies and gentlemen, 
we have just finished a rather lengthy conversation with the Secretary 
of State, Mr. Christopher.  After the end of the conversation, we 
compared notes and came to the conclusion that the conversation was 
successful, and both of us expressed satisfaction.  First of all, we 
highly value the Forum which just ended here today.  We also came to the 
conclusion that the participation of the countries which are not 
situated in this region but do participate in this Forum, not only have 
good reasons for [their participation], but also that participation 
produces positive results.   
Among the international issues we considered were the situations in 
Yugoslavia and in the Middle East.  We reiterated our desire to have 
timely elections in Bosnia, and we again stressed that all obstacles 
should be removed from the road to such negotiations.  Our two countries 
do act along that road, in that direction.  With regard to the situation 
in the Middle East, interest was expressed from both sides that the 
peace process should be implemented there without lengthy intervals.  In 
that context, we supported the results achieved during the visit of 
Prime Minister Netanyahu to Egypt and his negotiations with President 
Mubarak, as well as the context of the meeting of the Minister of 
Foreign Affairs of Israel, Mr. Levy, with the leader of the 
Palestinians, Mr. Arafat. 
The main thing that I wanted to draw your attention to, ladies and 
gentlemen of the press, is the joint statement that we have decided to 
make together on the banning of nuclear tests -- on the treaty on the 
banning of nuclear tests.  The text of the statement is as follows: 
"Guided by the desire to do everything possible to bring about the 
implementation of the terms of reference of the Conference on the Treaty 
on the Comprehensive Banning of Nuclear Tests and the decisions of the 
United Nations with regard to the signing of the Treaty on the 
Comprehensive Banning of Nuclear Tests, the Russian Federation and the 
United States of America are prepared to support the draft Treaty on the 
Comprehensive Banning of Nuclear Tests as it was proposed on June the 
28th of this year by the Chairman of the Special Committee on the 
Banning of Nuclear Tests of the Conference on Disarmament, Mr. Ramaker, 
although it -- that is the draft -- does not fully satisfy both sides.  
We urge other participants in the negotiations to also support that 
draft, so when the work of the session of the Conference on Disarmament 
is resumed on July 29th, its participants could make a decision to 
approve the draft treaty and to send it for approval and for opening for 
signature in the course of the forthcoming session of the United Nations 
General Assembly." 
It is our common view that this joint statement has great significance.  
I thank you for your attention. 
SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER:  Thank you.  Let me say I'm pleased to be here in 
Jakarta with Foreign Minister Primakov.  I think his presence here -- 
Russia's membership in the ASEAN Regional Forum, as well as now being an 
ASEAN dialogue partner -- is a very welcome addition, and it reflects 
the Russians' growing engagement in the Asia-Pacific region. This is the 
first time the Minister and I have gotten together since the Russian 
election.  The election was a tremendous achievement for the Russian 
people.  It reaffirmed the great value of the democratic process in that 
country.  As you know, last week Vice President Gore was in Moscow for 
the Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission, which continues to address practical 
requirements for bringing Russia into the mainstream of the world's 
industrialized democracies.  The President, the Vice President and I are 
all committed to work with Russia to promote economic growth and reform.   
An important part of our discussion today focused on European security, 
because over the course of the next year we'll be facing some very 
important decisions there that can contribute significantly to stability 
and integration.  We expect to have intensified discussions with our 
European allies and friends, including Russia, on these important 
questions.  Today focused on the way ahead, including the way ahead on 
the relationship between Russia and NATO.  As the Minister said, we 
discussed the situation in Bosnia where our troops -- that is Russian 
troops and NATO troops, the United States' troops -- are cooperating in 
a very excellent way. We talked about the September elections and the 
importance that they go forward under conditions that allow the people 
of Bosnia to make their choices freely and fairly.  Our common effort 
there, I think, is an indication of our possibilities of cooperation in 
a new Europe.  I thank the Minister for reading out the statement.  I 
share his view that the joint statement by United States and Russia has 
great significance. 
Just two other matters briefly.  We did talk about the importance of the 
Russian Duma ratifying the START II Treaty and the common interest of 
both nations, and we discussed the continuing situation in Chechnya.  As 
usual, as the Minister said, we had a productive and useful meeting 
together.  I thank him for hosting the meeting and for having a valuable 
meeting, again.  Thank you, Mr. Minister. 
QUESTION:  Are you fully satisfied with your meeting with the Russian 
foreign minister? 
SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER:  Yes, I'm fully satisfied.  It's only one in a 
long series of meetings but I think we've developed a very sound and 
business-like way of working together, which has proved to be valuable 
for both of our presidents and our countries. 
QUESTION:  This is a question for both Ministers.  What is the problem 
with the latest disbursement of the IMF loans?  Does this relate to 
problems related to promises that were made (inaudible) the Russian 
elections, and how soon can it be cleared up? 
FOREIGN MINISTER PRIMAKOV: (Through Interpreter)  I would like to see 
the promises kept, and I do hope that they will be kept. 
QUESTION:  That doesn't really answer the question.  What is your 
understanding as to why this IMF disbursement is being held up now? 
FOREIGN MINISTER PRIMAKOV: (Through Interpreter)  I do not think that 
there is any kind of a critical situation which has been created in our 
relations with the International Monetary Fund.  The elections, which 
were just held in Russia, showed that Russia moves along the road of 
democratic reforms, along the road of introducing reforms in the 
economy, and is a fully predictable country.  It is a common assessment 
that better conditions are created for investments in Russia and for 
credits to Russia, and we are totally confident that all that will be 
carried into effect. 
QUESTION:  Mr. Primakov, what did you tell the Secretary of State about 
the recent fighting in Chechnya?  How long will it go on? 
FOREIGN MINISTER PRIMAKOV: (Through Interpreter)  The situation in 
Chechnya is quite serious.  We embarked on the road of holding 
negotiations aimed at the peaceful solution of the Chechnya problem.  
But that does not mean at all that there would not be any response to 
those encroachments and attacks against the federal forces.  
Unfortunately, our opposite numbers do not always control the situation.  
Individual field commanders on occasion just defy the requests of the 
others.  I remain an optimist, and I fully adhere to the conviction that 
a solution is not possible without peaceful negotiations. 
QUESTION:  Do both of you share a concern on Burma becoming an observer 
to ASEAN? 
SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER:  Burma has become an observer in the ASEAN 
Regional Forum, and there is value to having them in the ASEAN Regional 
Forum.  There was extensive discussion last night of the situation in 
Myanmar, or Burma.  I think that was a healthy discussion and it 
resulted in a further discussion today of that subject.  The fact that 
those subjects can be discussed is one of the great values of the ASEAN 
Regional Forum, with a very strong membership and an ability to discuss 
differences of opinion.  The United States has a different approach and 
a different opinion on this subject than some of the other members of 
the ASEAN Regional Forum.  We expressed our views quite forcefully last 
night with respect to the situation in Burma, and the value of dialogue 
here in the ASEAN Regional Forum, I think, was established today. 
FOREIGN MINISTER PRIMAKOV: (Through Interpreter)  Russia highly values 
the status of a country partner in the dialogue that Russia received.  
We regard ASEAN as one of the poles of the multi-polar world which is 
being shaped now after the end of the Cold War.  The integration 
processes in Southeast Asia are quite successfully being implemented.  
The human, industrial, and intellectual potential of this area is quite 
high.  That was manifested both yesterday and today during the dialogue 
on many vital issues.  It was the first time that I participated in this 
forum as the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia.  I liked very much 
that matters of concern and interest for the entire area have been dealt 
with in depth -- sufficient depth -- and I liked very much the 
atmosphere of good will which has prevailed during the work of this 
Forum.  In many respects this is the achievement of Indonesia, which was 
the host country and was represented by the Chairman of the Forum during 
this intersessional period.  Thank you. 
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