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U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
DAILY PRESS BRIEFING
SEPTEMBER 29, 1994




                     U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
                       DAILY PRESS BRIEFING

                           I N D E X

                 Thursday, September, 29 1994


                                Briefers:   Robert Gelbard
                                            Raymond Kelly
                                            Christine Shelly


HAITI
   Opening Remarks by Assistant Secretary Gelbard ..1-3
   Opening Remarks by Commander IPM Raymond Kelly ..3
   Deployment of International Police Monitors .....4-10
   --  Rules of Engagement .........................4-5
   --  Mission .....................................5-8
   --  Countries Participating .....................5
   --  Training of Haitian Police Force ............6-10
   Amnesty .........................................13
   Prospects for Visit by Secretary ................13-14
   Security ........................................14-15

ISRAEL
   Press Reports re: Settlement Policy .............10-11

NORTH KOREA
   Talks with US in Geneva .........................11-12

BOSNIA
   US Policy on Lifting Arms Embargo ...............12-13

SAUDI ARABIA
   Detained Dissidents/Discussions with US .........15-16

JAPAN
   Trade Relations with US .........................17

CUBA
   US Immigration Policy ...........................17-18




DEPARTMENT OF STATE DAILY PRESS BRIEFING

DPC #138

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 29, 1994, 12:49 P.M. (ON THE RECORD UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED)

MS. SHELLY: Good afternoon. As you know, we will have two guests who will kick off today's briefing. They will tell you about the deployment of International Police Monitors to Haiti.

They are Assistant Secretary for International Narcotics and Crime Robert Gelbard, and Ray Kelly who, I am pleased to announce, has been asked by the State Department to head the force of International Police Monitors being deployed to Haiti. He is a former Police Commissioner of New York City and retired from the New York City Police Department in January after a distinguished career spanning 3l years. Currently he is President and Director of New York Operations for the Investigative Group Incorporated, a private international investigative security firm.

They will open with short statements and then take a few questions.

I will take your questions on other subjects immediately following this.

Gentlemen.

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: Thank you. I am pleased to introduce today Raymond Kelly, the new Commander of the International Police Monitors in Haiti.

Mr. Kelly began intensive briefings in Washington on Tuesday to prepare for his appointment. He was in Norfolk yesterday to meet with and be briefed by the U. S. Atlantic Command.

Mr. Kelly will be going down to Puerto Rico shortly where he will begin coordinating the operations of the International Police Monitors, who are receiving orientation and training prior to their deployment to Haiti.

We expect the first 400 Police Monitors to arrive in Haiti very shortly. Their purpose is to ensure that Haitian police perform their duties in keeping with internationally recognized standards for human rights. They will accompany Haitian police on patrols and investigations and report on their performance and effectiveness.

The International Police Monitor force is expected to remain in Haiti for up to six months. Twenty-seven countries have already contributed personnel to the force, which is expected to number close to 1,000 monitors when fully deployed.

There are few people in the world more qualified than Ray Kelly to serve as Commander of the International Police Monitors.

He holds Master's Degrees in Public Administration from Harvard University and in Law from New York University; a Law Degree from St. John's University and a Bachelor's Degree from Manhattan College. A Vietnam veteran, Mr. Kelly served in the U. S. Marine Corps from 1963 to 1966. He retired as a Colonel from the Marine Corps Reserve.

Ray, we are very pleased that you have decided to get back into policing and accept this mission. The work of the International Police Monitors will significantly improve respect for human rights and the law in Haiti, and help build a better future there.

Thank you. Mr. Kelly.

MR. KELLY: Thank you, very much, Ambassador. It is indeed an honor to be asked to serve in the cause of democracy, and at its core, that's what I see this mission as being.

The police in a democratic society have an obligation not only to preserve the peace but to uphold the rights of all individuals, and that's the experience that America and the other countries in the multinational force bring to Haiti.

As for myself, I am extremely proud of my association with the Police Department and the Marine Corps, and if I bring anything to this job, that's where I learned it. So, I am looking forward to it. It's a very important job, and I'm eager to get on with it.

Thank you.

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: We'll be very happy to take your questions.

Q Can you say, or give a better idea of what "very soon" might mean in terms of deployment of the 400? And the second question I have is, just roughly, is there a problem of there not being police to monitor? I mean, are there plenty of police left in the police stations?

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: When I say "very soon", I mean within the next several days. The first group of International Police Monitors actually arrived in Haiti this morning. A contingent of, I think, around 26.

There are currently a total of approximately 300, who are undergoing orientation in Roosevelt Roads Base in Puerto Rico. It was from that 300 that the first contingent moved from Puerto Rico to Haiti. The remainder of that group will be moving into Haiti within the next day or so.

An additional group of approximately 200 or so will be arriving in Puerto Rico this weekend for their orientation and training and will then be moving into Haiti next week.

So, all told, as I say, we should have actually about 500 on the ground by the middle of next week.

Q How many police stations will you be dealing with? How many police do you --?

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: Well, we'll be working with - - the International Police Monitors are within the multinational force command structure, and they will be working in the areas where the police and the military are deployed accompanying them, and this will be worked out, I think, mostly, basically, on the ground, based on requirements and opportunities that exist in Haiti, probably starting with Port-au-Prince.

Q Mr. Kelly, what sort of equipment will your police force carry with them as far as firearms and protection, and what will be the rules for their use of force?

MR. KELLY: Well, the rules of engagement are the same for the police monitors as they are for the multinational force, the military side of the house.

For the most part, the monitors will be armed with sidearms. They have brought their own weapons with them. They are trained in the use of those weapons. As far as the rules themselves, of course the rules of engagement call for using deadly physical force, only to defend oneself and only when deadly physical force is being used against the monitor.

Q Isn't it sort of a precedent for a police force to have military rules of engagement?

MR. KELLY: Well, I don't think it's unusual in this type of monitoring situation.

Q Mr. Secretary, can you tell us what countries --

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: Let me just add first, please, obviously these people are not there to do policing. They are there to accompany the Haitian police and military who are doing policing, as is the case in the rural areas.

They only -- they will be prepared to defend themselves or intervene in life-threatening circumstances, or call on back-up from the military as needed.

But the rules of engagement will basically be those, as Mr. Kelly says, that our military have, so as to prevent loss of life.

Q Mr. Secretary, can you tell us what countries will be represented in the first week or two weeks, and specifically when you expect the Israelis and Jordanians to be trained and show up in Haiti?

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: The first contingent arriving between today and this weekend will include groups from Argentina, Jordan, United States, St. Vincent, and Bolivia.

We expect additional contingents from a variety of other countries, including some European countries over the course of next week.

The Jordanian contingent, I think, contains 150 personnel.

Q How many Israelis?

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: This is an issue, as I understand it from the press, that is currently being debated in Israel, and the Israeli Government has been extremely forthcoming in making this commitment.

I certainly would never want to get into Israeli internal politics, but -- so this is an issue that is being decided shortly.

Q Mr. Kelly, would it be your job to weed out people who have been called thugs, the thugs of the Haitian military, these people who we have seen photos of inflicting brutal force on?

MR. KELLY: Well, the job -- the primary job is to monitor the actions of the Haitian police for human rights violations, and also to mentor, if you will, to assist them in learning what we believe to be proper police practices. But also they will be a reporting function, reporting as to the conduct of individual officers, and that will have an impact on who ultimately remains in the police force.

As you know, there is a process where -- at times -- a vetting process where police, based on a whole series of criteria, will be determined whether or not they remain in the interim police force, and then ultimately to the national force.

Q Do you know enough about the Haitian police to describe their shortcomings?

MR. KELLY: Well, you say the Haitian police. Of course they are a part of the military, so they have received a very rudimentary, really basic training as far as police procedures are concerned. So I would say that -- I would categorize the police force as being in significant need of training.

Q Mr. Kelly, you were approached about this job several days ago and the Administration said there were details to be worked out. Did you have hang-ups, concerns, about taking this job?

MR. KELLY: Well, there are a lot of details to be worked out in something of this nature. There was a contract process that was engaged in, and that was what was being talked about as far as details being worked out.

Q Mr. Kelly, can you talk, please, a little about how your years in New York have prepared you for your new job? Might you draw on anything from what you learned on the mean streets of New York?

MR. KELLY: I hope so. I started as a police officer -- actually, a police cadet in New York City. I had 25 different assignments and worked my way up through the ranks -- to First Deputy Commissioner and Commissioner. During that time, I was in charge on two occasions of an area that had a large Peruvian population. Just being a New York City cop, I think, prepares you for a lot of things.

Q To what extent will you be working with President Aristide's appointee, Mr. Cherubin? And do either of you gentlemen have any misgivings about whatever his role might be?

MR. KELLY: I'm really not prepared to discuss that. I don't have enough information, quite frankly.

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: The International Police Monitors, while under the MNF structure, will obviously be working with the legitimate Haitian Government upon President Aristide's return to Haiti.

Obviously, there have been allegations about Cherubin. We've heard them. We have continued to work with those people who President Aristide has designated.

Q Mr. Kelly, since you have such a diverse group of countries with different training of their own police forces, do you anticipate any problems in conducting your training so everybody is equipped with the same basic rules to go by?

MR. KELLY: Each group, as it comes in, receives training at Roosevelt Roads Naval Base. That's training that's done jointly under the ICITAP, which is the International Criminal and Investigative Training and Assistance Program of the Department of Justice, and some training from military personnel as well.

So they're all, in that sense, starting from the same sheet of paper, so to speak. I'm going to monitor that training as well. I'll be visiting Puerto Rico probably tomorrow and take a look at that training. Then, of course, there's always the possibility of doing additional training in Haiti if it's needed.

Q Assistant Secretary Gelbard, can you describe for us whatever you know about the state of the Haitian police forces now? For instance, what's happening in some of these rural areas where the police stations are basically abandoned? Is anyone policing there?

The second question is, in the case of witnessing abuse or improper police practice, will those reports end up in any kind of criminal or other kind of procedure? Will people start being punished for human rights or other kind of abuses?

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: To answer your first question, I think, better off, getting the response, really, on the ground from the U.S. commander and the multinational force. I think in most cases, though, the military, who are really exercising the police function in the rural areas, in most cases have stayed. There are, obviously, as we know, a number of areas in places where they have left the scene -- not unexpected, considering the circumstances.

In terms of the issue of crimes, one of the functions of the monitors will be to work with the military who are doing policing or the police themselves. First, to do the kind of on- the-job training and guidance that they have been lacking in terms of trying to get them to understand about what basic policing techniques are and to arrest people.

If it turns out there are violations -- human rights violations or criminal acts -- committed by the military or police themselves, we certainly don't expect necessarily that the monitors will bring these people in. In fact, they don't have the ability to arrest people.

Under certain very restricted circumstances, they an detain people, to turn them over to the authorities. But we would hope that the Haitian authorities would perform those functions and turn them over to the judicial authorities in Haiti for action.

Q Okay, they can't arrest some Haitian military policeman who is beating someone to death with a crow bar. But what happens to their report -- what happens to that?

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: If it's a case of that sort, as I said earlier, they can intervene, and they probably ought to intervene. If it's a much larger incident involving crowds, they can call for backup assistance, as I mentioned. We would certainly expect that they would be in a position to then make sure that judicial process is followed and ensues.

Q What about when Haitian citizens come to the monitors with reports of abuse that they have not witnessed, accusing members of the police or the military of murder or other crimes?

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: There are going to be procedures so that these will be investigated.

Q Bob, you just made a reference to allegations concerning Cherubin. Could you share with us your evaluation of these allegations?

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: I'm not in a position first- hand to provide an evaluation. Some of these have been in the press, obviously. This is something that President Aristide is aware of, in terms of these allegations. We would expect and we know that he has taken these into consideration.

Q Mr. Kelly, when will you first go to Haiti? And how will you divide your time between Roosevelt Roads and Haiti?

MR. KELLY: I will probably be in Haiti this weekend. I'll spend very little time at Roosevelt Roads. I'm just stopping off there to look at the training and then going directly to Haiti from there.

Q Do you have any idea how long you'll be in Haiti -- how long the assignment will last?

MR. KELLY: Several months.

Q Can you tell us how much you're being paid for this?

MR. KELLY: That matter is being negotiated. I honestly don't know. There's a contract I have not seen -- a contract my company has negotiated. I'm sure it can be made available to you later.

Q Is there a salary cap?

MR. KELLY: A salary cap? (Laughter)

Q Mr. Secretary, do you have any indication of whether or not there are any international terrorist organizations, or organizations involved in international terrorism ever operating in Haiti?

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: I'm not aware of any. Obviously, we're very concerned about the possibility of any act we might consider to be a potentially terrorist act against U.S. or other multinational forces, diplomatic personnel, and so on. But we're certainly not aware of any international groups.

MS. SHELLY: Last question.

Q Sir, you said you would be reporting on the conduct of individual officers. To what extent, regardless of their past human rights record, will Haitian police have an opportunity under the procedure that you're going to start to redeem themselves and keep their jobs?

MR. KELLY: That's obviously a question for the in-coming government. We're not in a position to do that. We'd make some recommendations, but that decision will be made by the Haitian Government.

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: Let me just add, just to finish up on that. We have been in discussions with the Haitian Government. We've come to agreements about what we hope will be the vetting process for determining the makeup of, first, the interim police force; and then as the new police academy is established and the long-term police training begins, the selection process for what will eventually be the future Haitian police -- the permanent police force.

The first step will be the establishment of a new police law, which is one of the items on the agenda for the parliament currently in session, to split the police from the military as is called for in the Haitian constitution -- Article 269, as you know.

Q It's 268. (Laughter)

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: Both past and future performance will be taken into account very seriously in terms of human rights violations and other performance issues.

Q Do you have a target date for full deployment? You mentioned, it would go up to about a thousand.

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: We expect it will be in the next few weeks. Within a period of a few weeks, but we will have the bulk of them there within two weeks.

Q The 26 who arrived today are from what countries, specifically?

ASSISTANT SECRETARY GELBARD: They are from Argentina and the United States, I think.

MS. SHELLY: Thank you very much. Other questions?

Q Can you give us the status on your talks with the Israelis about participating in this monitoring force?

MS. SHELLY: That was your opportunity to ask. In any case, from the podium, we would not be getting into details of specific exchanges that we had.

But at this point, I think it's an internal Israeli deliberation, if that has not, in fact, been brought to closure. I saw one press report earlier today that indicated that they might have settled that now. But we would not take it into the individual exchanges in any case.

Q Christine.

Sid.

Q Thinking of Israel, if I may change the subject. Do you have any comment about the Rabin Government's plan to expand its settlement activity around Jerusalem?

MS. SHELLY: I don't have any specific comment on it. There was one press report earlier in the week about the particular settlement of Alfei Menashe. Is that the one you're referring to, or are you --

Q There's another report today in The New York Times.

MS. SHELLY: We have seen reference to the decision from press reports. We are looking into it.

I think the Israeli Government has made some comments on that themselves in the last day or so, which put that in some kind of context.

In response to The New York Times article today, we have seen various reports on settlement activity. Some of these reports, in fact, that we've received have actually been conflicting. As I mentioned, we're looking into the specific ones and are making inquiries with the Israeli Government.

By law, on the point raised in that article, the President, of course, is required to make a determination each year regarding deductions that would be made from each year's authorized loan guarantees. We are in the process now of preparing that report.

I don't have any figures for you today on that, but they will become, as you're aware, a matter of public record. At that time, we'll be happy to make them available to you and, I think, get into the issue in a more detailed way.

Q It's just that it's been so long since we've dealt with settlements. What is the U.S. policy on settlements?

MS. SHELLY: Their final (inaudible) issue, I believe. Isn't that right? Isn't that the answer on the test?

Q I really don't remember.

MS. SHELLY: Anybody -- help me out. Isn't that right? I know Mark Matthews can help me. Isn't that right?

Q Yes.

Q You have nothing to --

MS. SHELLY: Nothing new.

Q Nothing to predetermine the final status negotiations?

MS. SHELLY: Sid, our policy, to my knowledge, has not changed one iota on this since any of the thousands of times we've been asked that question from this podium.

Betsy.

Q Do you have anything on the U.S.-North Korea talks in Geneva?

MS. SHELLY: I have very little, unfortunately, to share with you today. It may be that there will be more tomorrow or it may be another day or two.

As you know, the talks continued into today. They had about a two and half hour exchange this morning which we would characterize as wide-ranging and substantive. As a result of today's meeting, the heads of delegations have decided that they would like an opportunity to consult with their capitals. Until that has an opportunity to take place, I would not be in a position to characterize the discussions so far in this round of exchanges.

Q Would you say that today's exchanges were more substantive than previous days?

There has not been a lot of optimism coming out of this, in fact, saying that there was some back-sliding on issues?

MS. SHELLY: I think the discussions -- some days they've been meeting for as many as nine hours in one day. I wouldn't read anything particular into a two-hour exchange versus a nine- hour exchange. I think all of the exchanges have certainly been substantive.

As the Secretary referenced yesterday, there had not been at that point a lot of progress to report. So I think that was the reason that the heads of delegation felt that it would be opportune to have some consultations with their capitals.

Q Will Gallucci come back here or will he go to New York tomorrow to meet with the Secretary?

MS. SHELLY: I don't know whether he's actually returning to New York or to Washington. He is coming back to the U.S. to have those consultations. I don't have the details of his arrival schedule.

Q But this round is over?

MS. SHELLY: I wouldn't characterize it as "over." What we had said, I think some days ago, before the talks actually started that we expected that this particular round -- these are all discussions within the context of the third round. We expected that there would be perhaps more or less a week of talks again and there might be a break for consultations. That's where we are.

The round is continuing. The discussions are continuing in the context of that round, but there is a break now for the heads of delegation to consult with capitals.

Q Just to follow up. How long would this consultation last? Will there be any possibility of other talking on days next week?

MS. SHELLY: I don't have any information on that at this point, so I'm not in a position to predict.

Q In light of the Bosnian Government's changed policy regarding lifting the arms embargo, does the Clinton Administration still intend to go to the Security Council on October 15 to ask it to lift the embargo?

MS. SHELLY: The Bosnian Government's decision to ask for a delay in lift does not change commitments or put off commitments made by President Clinton to Congress.

The same scenario whereby if the Bosnian Serbs did not accept the Contact Group plan by October 15, if that did not occur, the Administration still intends to introduce a Security Council resolution that would satisfy its commitment to Congress to seek lift of the arms embargo, although it will certainly take into account the Bosnian Government's wish to defer the date as to when lift would actually occur.

Q Do you plan to put in the resolution a series of criteria which would need to be met? In which case, if they weren't, the arms embargo would automatically be lifted after six months? How are you going to approach that issue?

MS. SHELLY: I think we are still quite far from actually coming up with a text and putting something on the table. First, we have to see what the Bosnian Serb action is by the 15th of October. We have had discussions, in the context of UNGA, with our key allies on this -- members of the Contact Group. It was also obviously a major topic of discussion in the recent summit with Russian President Yeltsin.

So there had been a lot of exchanges on this. It's my understanding that it has not yet reached the point where we're actually talking about formulas within the Security Council resolution.

Q But the Secretary mentioned that he hoped to get a vote around November 1; is that right? I thought I saw you said somewhere that --

MS. SHELLY: That's possible. I don't remember the specific reference to that.

Q President Aristide, on CNN last night, seemed to speak in pretty negative terms about the general amnesty that's called for in the agreement brought home by President Carter. Do you have any reaction to what he said?

MS. SHELLY: I guess the first point is that he, of course, convoked the Special Session of the parliament, which you know convened yesterday, to take up the amnesty question in addition to the other things that we've touched on today. Already the police legislation and the other anti-paramilitary and other legislation -- that had all agreed to be addressed following the Governor's Island agreement.

President Aristide has stated numerous times, including in his remarks yesterdays, that ultimately the form that this takes is up to the Haitian parliament when they enact the amnesty legislation as well as the other issues on the agenda.

The content of the amnesty legislation -- the specific content and the other types of legislation -- those certainly will be for the members of parliament to address. What we and the international community are trying to do, of course, is to support that process.

We certainly took note of his references to the crimes against humanity. But within that context, since he has stated that the exact form of amnesty is up to the Haitian parliament, I think that's the overriding principle which governs his position on it.

Q Is any consideration being given -- can you tell us - - to a trip by the Secretary to Haiti in coming days?

MS. SHELLY: It's something that has certainly been bandied about, but no decision on that has been taken as of this point.

Q What would be the purpose if he were to go?

MS. SHELLY: Since it hasn't been scheduled, I can't tell you what the purpose would be.

Q What do you mean, "bandied about?"

MS. SHELLY: Secretary Perry, of course, has gone down there. I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility that Secretary Christopher might go down there, if he should feel that it was useful for him to do so. But I'm not signaling in any way that a decision has been taken or is about to come on that.

Q Might he escort Aristide home?

MS. SHELLY: I don't have any information on that.

Q But he's considering it?

MS. SHELLY: No, I didn't say that, Sid.

Q What's the difference between "bandied about, discussed, and considering?"

MS. SHELLY: The possibility of his doing that at some point has come up in the context of all of the activities in which we're engaged. But I'm not saying that he is specifically considering it at this point, but I'm also not ruling out that he may decide to do so at some point.

Q Christine, aside from the United States and the 27 states that are participating in the MNF troop participation, is there any other foreign country contributing money to this effort. Who is bank-rolling the whole thing?

MS. SHELLY: I'd have to check on financial contributions. I don't have information with me.

Q Would you take that?

MS. SHELLY: I'll look into it.

Q Tomorrow is the third anniversary of the coup, and there are reports of large demonstrations being planned. Is the U.S. doing anything to try to calm things down to ensure that things don't get out of hand?

MS. SHELLY: Certainly, we are very mindful of the fact that there are expected to be very large demonstrations tomorrow. In fact, I think that Ambassador Swing and possibly others are going to be doing a press conference on the arrangements which have been put in place to try to contribute to as much security as possible down in that context. So as the demonstrations occur, they can occur, hopefully, in a way which will not create risks to the Haitian population who might be either actively participating or nearby when the demonstrations take place.

I don't have the details of that here. I think at 3:00 this afternoon, Ambassador Swing is going to be speaking out publicly on this.

Q There's been sort of a raft of criticism, pundits, and articles of Secretary Christopher in recent weeks. I think he said on MacNeil/Lehrer on Monday that he had been amazed at the amount of time that people in this town put into criticizing public officials. Is the criticism starting to wear on the Secretary in some way? And does he feel confident that he has the full support of the President right now?

MS. SHELLY: On the latter point, certainly, the simple and quick answer is yes; and the Secretary is aware that criticisms of the job go with the territory. He is certainly aware of the fact that there are criticisms out there, but he is not letting those criticisms become his North Star in conducting diplomacy and foreign policy in this country.

So I think he feels secure about his position, and he intends to stay the course.

Sid.

Q Saudi Arabia, Christine?

MS. SHELLY: Yes.

Q Does the Administration have any comment about the rounding up of 120 dissidents?

MS. SHELLY: I have -- since I knew of your interest in that subject yesterday, I did my best to get a comment on this. I don't have a lot to say. Let me round up my guidance here.

Okay, we are aware of the fact that 110 Muslim militants have been arrested. It's a situation that we continue to monitor.

Saudi authorities have indicated that these arrests were made on the basis of evidence that they had that the individuals involved were seeking to disrupt internal security.

As to the broader implications of this for us, the human rights and rule of law issues, of course, are an important part of our on-going dialogue with the Saudis.

We do have, the United States does have serious concerns about the human rights situation in Saudi Arabia. These are clearly documented in the State Department's annual report to Congress on human rights practices.

Q Does this qualify as human rights -- does this fall under the heading of human rights concerns?

MS. SHELLY: Well, I think the activity in question is something that we made a notation of in our human rights report, and we are also aware of what their particular regulations are regarding actions that they take in response to disruptions that they perceive to their internal security. But I wouldn't want to make a more -- it's something we are looking into, we are watching, and I think it's premature at this point to make that kind of a characterization.

Q Did you discuss this -- did we call the Ambassador in, or discuss it with the Saudis, or are we just sort of reading the New York Times about it?

MS. SHELLY: No, we have had some general discussions on the issue with them.

Q With the Ambassador?

MS. SHELLY: Yes. Sid, I'm not going to get into the specific language in which we have made our concerns known.

Q Christine.

MS. SHELLY: Yes.

Q In Department parlance, what do you mean by a "militant?"

MS. SHELLY: Well, I think I'll check my dictionary on that one. That's what my guidance says. I'm sticking to the guidance, but I don't have a ready definition for you.

Yes.

Q Tomorrow is the deadline for Super 301 on unfair trade practices, and right now there are trade friction going on between the U. S. and Japan.

How does this affect the relationship, the overall political/economic relationship, with Japan?

MS. SHELLY: Well, I'm caught on this one, David, aren't I? I don't have any ready guidance in my book on Super 301. The general question, of course, is that we have trade frictions with Japan. We try to work on them and work through them as best as we can.

We try to be very careful about not letting the frictions that we have on the trade side derail the broader areas of a very strong and positive and longstanding cooperation we have with them on the political and the security front.

So, we try to -- there are trade actions which do occur and have occurred in the past, but we try to work on the trade issues in the trade context, and I wouldn't anticipate that there would be an enormous consequence of those difficulties spilling over into other aspects of our otherwise very good and very positive cooperation.

Q Do you have anything on the supposed proposal for a visa lottery for Cubans?

MS. SHELLY: Yes, I have something on that. There was a report today, as you are aware, in a very prominent daily publication on this issue.

We are actively considering a variety of mechanisms through which to meet our commitment under the migration agreement with Cuba, which, you are aware, involves the issue of 20,000 travel documents per year to Cuban nationals. A lottery is one of those.

We are very close to a public announcement of our plan, but no final decisions have in fact yet been made. Whatever the final details of the plan, one of its guiding principles will be to make migration to the United States possible for those Cubans who have had no opportunity to migrate in the past.

So I expect we will be having more to say on this fairly shortly, but that's about all I can tell you at this point.

Q What else are we considering besides a lottery?

MS. SHELLY: I don't have -- we have addressed that in the context of the talks before about the possibility of looking into the categories of people. We are in the context of family issue, family -- .

Q Nothing new other than the lottery?

MS. SHELLY: I don't have anything for today beyond specifically addressing that that is one of the things under consideration.

Q Will this announcement come from State or Justice?

MS. SHELLY: I don't have an answer to that yet. Anything else?

Q Thank you.

MS. SHELLY: Thanks.

(The briefing concluded at l:25 p.m.)

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