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                                                     BRIEFER:  Christine 


Guest Briefer Asst. Secretary Shattuck at Daily
  Press Briefing Tomorrow re Human Rights Day ......1

US Consultations with South Korea/Others .................1
UN Secretary GeneralŐs Visit 

Human Rights Watch Report on US Immigration
Prime Minister Receives Vatican Support for His
  Conference on National Reconciliation .........................6

US Diplomatic Exchanges re Arms Sales ........................4

Reports of Serb Military Flights in No-Fly Zone .........4-5

Contaminated Water Alert for DC ......................................6-


                       DEPARTMENT OF STATE
                       DAILY PRESS BRIEFING

                                                      DPC #161

              THURSDAY, DECEMBER 9, 1993, 1:17 P. M.

         MS. SHELLY:  Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.  We will 
begin our regular press briefing tomorrow with a special briefing on 
Human Rights Day.  Assistant Secretary of State for Human Rights and 
Humanitarian Affairs John Shattuck will open tomorrow's briefing with a 
statement, after which he'd be pleased to take your questions.

          Following Mr. Shattuck's presentation, I will then conclude 
the briefing by taking your questions on other issues.

          I have no further statements, so I'd be glad to take your 
questions at this time.

          Q    North Korea made some more statements today, suggesting 
that basically either the United States accept its proposal or the talks 
were off.  What's your reaction to that?

          MS. SHELLY:  The state of play is that our consultations on 
this with South Korea and other countries in the region are continuing.  
There is nothing new in terms of our having scheduled a meeting to 
formally go back to North Korea with our response.

          We've also seen the press reports as well.  I would say that 
they're not out of character often with the press reports of the recent 
time frame.  We've seen them.  We've taken note of the messages in them.  
But, as we've mentioned before, we take as official communications the 
official contacts that we have and not press statements.

          Q    So you're not necessarily agitated by what you see coming 
out of Pyongyang?

          MS. SHELLY:  No, not unduly.

          Q    Christine, I understand that Boutros-Ghali is actually 
going to North Korea this month.  Are we talking to him about carrying 
any particular messages, or is that being used in any sense as a channel 
of communication with Pyongyang?

          MS. SHELLY:  Barrie, I actually got into this a bit yesterday; 
and since I talked about that at the briefing, I would also point you to 
the remarks that were made by Boutros-Ghali's own spokesman on this 
issue.  And that is that he himself said that the Secretary General is 
not going to North Korea with the intention of attempting to play a role 
in the current diplomatic state of play.

          He said specifically -- the spokesman said -- that the 
diplomatic process is being sorted out through other channels, 
specifically the IAEA and efforts of a bilateral character, I think were 
the words that he used.  He said that if there were a United Nations 
role, in fact it would be up to the Security Council to exercise it and 
not specifically up to the Secretary General.

          Certainly, that being said, we would still expect that the 
nuclear issue would come up and would be discussed.  But I think you 
have to go by the Secretary General's own spokesman on this one that 
there is not a particular mission on this issue at this point.

          Q    But would the United States like Mr. Boutros-Ghali to 
deliver to the North Koreans a message of any kind?

          MS. SHELLY:  I think that he will probably have some messages 
for the North Koreans on this, and I think what he will do as Secretary 
General of the United Nations is express the concerns which are widely 
held in the international community about this issue.

          I think that that is certainly what I would expect him to do, 
and I think that that would certainly be -- again in his capacity as 
U.N. Secretary General, that would certainly be a perfectly appropriate 
thing.  We'd certainly have no problem with that whatsoever.

          Q    This may be a thing for Mr. Shattuck, but maybe you have 
something on this, appropos human rights.  Human Rights Watch, an 
organization based in New York, issued its report today and among other 
things says that the U.S. forcible repatriation of Haitians and 
capturing them at sea is a violation of the Covenant on Immigration and 
Civil Rights signed by this Government in September 1992.

          Have you any response to that?

          MS. SHELLY:  I haven't seen the report, and I would have to 
see the report and see what the particular language is and come back to 
you on that.  So what I would do on that is take your question.

          Q    Would you be able to comment on the general thrust of the 
report and its assessment of the Clinton  Administration, in which it 
said that "President Clinton brought heightened emphasis to human 
rights, but the Administration has failed to provide consistent 
leadership, jettisoning human rights when the going gets rough."

          MS. SHELLY:  I would want to take a look at the report first 
and see the language myself before I commented on that.  But I really do 
think that that is a question -- given tomorrow being Human Rights Day 
and having Assistant Secretary Shattuck out here, that is a perfect 
question, really, for you to address to him.  I'm sure he will be in a 
much better position to answer that and comment on that than I am today.

          Q    Following up on this, since, you know, tomorrow Mr. 
Shattuck is going to be speaking here, he spoke yesterday at the Foreign 
Press Center; and he was on the record; and he said something to the 
effect -- not exact wording -- that the United States' distribution of 
foreign assistance to countries around the world is not necessarily in 
conjunction with their practices of human rights and their relationship 
with the laws of the United Nations -- for instance, the Fourth Geneva 

          Specifically I'm talking about Israel, that Mr. Shattuck 
yesterday said that Israel doesn't comply with the Fourth Geneva 
Convention.  If you want to possibly look at his statement yesterday at 
the Foreign Press Center and give us some elaboration about is this the 
policy of the Clinton Administration and the State Department that they 
really don't care if Israel doesn't comply with the Fourth Geneva 
Convention, and that the assistance is given to Israel despite the fact 
that Israel is not in compliance with this Convention?

          MS. SHELLY:  I'm not going to take that issue up right now.  
First of all, the Secretary is traveling in the region; and things that 
discuss our policy assessment, policy issues or characterizations like 
that, I'm just not at liberty to pontificate on from here.

          I don't have the text of Assistant Secretary Shattuck's 
remarks before me, and again I would have to go back to that to see 
exactly what he said.  But, as I said, he's coming here tomorrow and 
he's going to be here opening the briefing, and it's Human Rights Day.  
He's going to have some things, and he's very keen to take your 
questions.  So I think that would be a very appropriate question for you 
to direct to him, and that's really what you're going to have to do.

          Q    Okay.  The second question:  Is the concern about Korea 
in the non-proliferation -- and I'm saying this because I want to lead 
to the question about Israel is not a signatory to the Non-Proliferation 
Treaty, and Israel has been, according to James Woolsey, the CIA 
Director, who appeared on the "Larry King Show" a few days ago, said 
that Israel has nuclear power.  And I think he put his finger on that 

          How concerned are you for such creation of nuclear power in 
Israel with no attachment to this that Israel will be signatory to the 
Non-Proliferation Treaty?  What's your concern about that?

          MS. SHELLY:  Again, I'm not going to get into the question.  
The Secretary is in the region, and from this podium I don't get into 
issues of that kind when the party is traveling is a particular region.  
I'm just not in a position to answer that.

          Q    Has the United States made any demarches to Ukraine 
recently, specifically regarding potential weapons sales to Iran?

          MS. SHELLY:  Weapons sales to Iran?

          Q    Yes, like Cruise missiles.

          MS. SHELLY:  I don't have any information on that.

          Q    Well, what about the more general question of demarches 
for weapons sales at all?

          MS. SHELLY:  We have diplomatic exchanges on a range of topics 
with Ukraine all the time.  I don't have any information to respond to 
your question specifically.  I can look and see if there's anything we 
can post on that.  I'll check and see.

          Q    On Bosnia, I don't know if it has been happening in the 
last 48 hours, but there have been recent reports that the Serbs are 
again using aircraft -- fighter-bombers as well as helicopters.  Have 
you looked again at the possibility of interdicting such airpower?

          MS. SHELLY:  I think all of the decisions of NATO on 
enforcement of the "no-fly" zone still stand.  They still remain in 
force, and the enforcement effort is going on.

          One of the problems with that, and particularly the use of 
helicopters, is that usually the flights are at low levels and they're 
very short; and it's very often difficult to actually be able to catch 
the potential perpetrators.

          So on helicopters, the enforcement has always been somewhat 
problematic.  But the "no-fly" zone enforcement is certainly very much 
in force, and I have no reason to believe that there is any change in 
the NATO position on this or of the nations participating in this effort 

          Q    Then do you doubt the reports coming from Sarajevo and 
other enclaves that the Serbians have, in fact, been using fighter-

          MS. SHELLY:  I don't have any information specifically on 
fighter-bombers.  I would really have to refer that, I think, 
particularly to -- we'd have to check on that point, I think, with 
UNPROFOR and also those nations participating in the "no-fly" zone.  
It's a valid question.  I'll be happy to look into it and see if we can 
post something.

          Q    But you're acknowledging that there has been proscribed 
use of helicopters?

          MS. SHELLY:  Everyone has acknowledged that there has been 
proscribed use of helicopters, I think, from the very beginning and 
certainly from the time that the "no-fly" zone enforcement went into 
effect.  But that is the category of aircraft use which has always, by 
all people involved in the enforcement -- it's always the most difficult 
to track and identify and to be able to get to the particular place 
where the flight is taking place has always been difficult.  And I think 
we've acknowledged from the beginning that that's the area that is the 
toughest to get at in the enforcement.

          Q    The Greek Prime Minister's son, Mr. George Papandreou, is 
these days in Washington, Greek sources say.  He brings some letter for 
President Clinton in which Greeks explain -- they give new explanation 
why Macedonia cannot have its name.  What is the reaction of the Clinton 
Administration concerning this letter?

          MS. SHELLY:  I don't have any information on this.

          Q    You don't have information that Mr. Papandreou is here?

          MS. SHELLY:  No, in terms of the contents of this letter.  On 
this particular point, I think I would have to refer you to the Greek 
authorities about the contents.  I'm not familiar with the letter, and 
so therefore I'm certainly not in a position to give you a reaction to 

          Q    Christine, the German Government donated 600 Mercedes to 
the Palestinians for the Palestinian police force, and they will be 
arriving this weekend to the Occupied Territories for the police force 
-- the Palestinian police force.  Do you have any information about the 
non-lethal equipment or assistance that the United States is going to be 
giving the Palestinian police force which -- it's in formation in the 
Occupied Territories -- or do you want to take the question?

          MS. SHELLY:  I think we're having a failure to communicate 
here.  I can't get into any questions of this kind while the party is 
traveling in the region.  I just can't get into it.  I don't have 
anything for you.

          Q    On Haiti, Malval met with the Vatican.  Do you have 
anything on the Vatican's role in the conference that Malval wants to 
set up?

          MS. SHELLY:  I just have a little bit for you on that.  We 
learned this morning that the Vatican had issued a very supportive 
statement following the meeting between Haitian Prime Minister Malval 
and the Cardinal Secretary of State Sodano and Archbishop Tauran, who is 
the Secretary for Relations with States.

          Prime Minister Malval received the Vatican's support for his 
Conference of National Reconciliation.  The Vatican complimented the 
Prime Minister on his commitment to "national pacification" and said 
that it supports his efforts to "assure a peaceful coexistence in the 
Haitian society."

          We find this to be a very positive development.  We think it 
will encourage participation by a very important sector of Haitian 
society in the Prime Minister's national conference.

          Q    Has the United States encouraged the Vatican in this 
regard?  Did we actively go and talk to them and try to get them to go 
along with Malval?

          MS. SHELLY:  I don't have any information on this.

          Q    Do you know if this national conference is going to take 

          MS. SHELLY:  I have no reason to believe that it's not going 
to, as far as I know.  But, as you know, the Prime Minister -- and this 
is the Prime Minister's plan -- he's traveling in the region right now.  
He's been in Rome for these meetings, and then he presumably will be 
coming back and beginning his efforts to get all of the parties together 
on this.  So the precise timing on this I don't think has been indicated 

          Q    Something entirely different.  I have been asked to 
inquire how this building is faring during our current water crisis?

          MS. SHELLY:  I actually have something on that for you, 
anticipating the question.  In terms of managing our own problem on this 
issue, we have posted notices in our electronic mail systems and 
bulletin board systems -- classified and unclassified electronic mail.  
In addition, we've posted signs throughout all of the State Department's 
32 facilities in the D.C. metropolitan area.

          The Department has also ordered that 100 containers of bottled 
water be placed in our exhibit hall for employees and others to use 
throughout the weekend.  If there's an angle on  this regarding the 
diplomatic community, no special efforts with respect to this have been 
made to apprise the diplomatic community of the crisis; but our Office 
of Protocol and the Office of Foreign Missions are fully prepared to 
provide assistance if any such requests are received.

          Q    Thank you.

          MS. SHELLY:  Thank you.

          (The briefing concluded at 1:32 p.m.)

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