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Christine Shelly

Subject                                                          Page

DPRK Response to US re Nuclear Issue ..............3
-- White House Meeting Today ..............................1,2,3
-- US Contacts with South Korea ........................1-2
-- IAEA Reaction 
Possible Visit by Secretary General ..................2

Discussions in Geneva and Brussels ...................3-4
Future Discussions by Parties to Conflict ......4
Reported Five-Point US Proposal on 

Status of Naming of New Deputy Secretary ...4

Reported NASA Meeting with Russia/Other
  re Space Station 

Upcoming Elections ...................................................5

US-Russian Working Groups on Ukraine/
  Security Guarantees ...............................................5
US-Russia Discussions on Re-Targeting
  Nuclear Missiles 

Arrest of Yen Men Kao for Spying ........................5-6
Report of Missing Chinese Dissident .................9

Prime Minister's Meetings in Washington .......6
-- Malval/Aristide Meeting at White House ...6
-- Malval Press Conference/Future Plans .......6-7

Presidential Election Results ...............................7
Asst. Secretary Watson's Visit Last Week ......7

Political Dialogue of Parties in Ethiopia .........9


                         DEPARTMENT OF STATE
                         DAILY PRESS BRIEFING

                                                      DPC #158

                 MONDAY, DECEMBER 6, 1993, 1:16 P. M.

          MS. SHELLY:  Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.  I don't 
have any announcements, so I'd be pleased to proceed directly to take 
your questions.

          Q    Could you tell us the very latest assessment -- the State 
Department's, at least; it doesn't necessarily have to be the Pentagon's 
-- of the situation with North Korea and whether their nuclear sites 
will, or you have an expectation that they will, be open to 
international inspection?

          MS. SHELLY:  In the last couple of days there have been 
several senior Administration officials who have commented on this and 
given some of their early characterizations.  As you know, the President 
addressed this this morning.  Vice President Gore addressed this 
yesterday on "Meet the Press," and Assistant Secretary Robert Gallucci 
from the State Department addressed this on "Newsmaker Saturday."

          I certainly cannot add any further precise comments on this 
issue.  You're aware of the fact that we received their response.  We've 
been discussing it, we've been considering it, we've been examining it, 
and this is a subject for further discussion by senior Administration 
officials this afternoon.  I simply think it would be inappropriate for 
me to get into a detailed discussion of the specifics.

          Q    If you've come to conclusions, what's the discussion this 
afternoon about?

          MS. SHELLY:  I'm not saying that anyone has come to 
conclusions on that.  I think the point of the meeting this afternoon is 
for all of the interested watchers of this issue and participants in 
this to get together and to share their assessments based on the reviews 
which have been underway since Friday, and then to develop a position.

          Q    Have there been discussions between the United States and 
the South Koreans?  And in whatever decision is made, does the United 
States want to be in synch with the South Koreans?

          MS. SHELLY:  I think that certainly the South Korean position 
on this is very important to us.  I don't think that it would be 
productive for me to get into a specific discussion of what exchanges we 
may or may not have had over the last couple of days.

          As I said, at this point our focus has been on our own 
discussions of this response in all of its aspects.  It's not just a 
simple "yes," "no," open-and-shut kind of case.  All of those 
considerations will be brought to bear to the meeting this afternoon.  
And then again, as other Administration officials have indicated, when a 
final conclusion has been reached, we will then go forward with 
consultations with our allies at that point.

          Q    Do you happen to know who's representing the State 
Department at this meeting, or is there a State Department person there?

          MS. SHELLY:  I believe that there will be a State Department 
representative, but I would decline to name exactly who is the 
representative in that.

          Q    What kind of a meeting is this?  Would you call it a 
principals' meeting?

          MS. SHELLY:  I didn't call it anything in particular.

          Q    I heard someone did.

          MS. SHELLY:  I simply said that there would be a meeting.  
Actually, I think that the Vice President himself referred to a meeting 
which would be taking place at the White House on this, and I'd just 
leave it at that.

          Q    But I don't want to leave it at that, if I can.  I want 
to find out, if I can, if -- the Secretary's out of town; and, you know, 
not only is this an important issue but the Pentagon seems to verge on 
hysteria every now and then, and the State Department seems to have a 
more relaxed view or a less excited view of what's going on.  So it 
would be interesting to know who's carrying the State Department's view 
to the White House today.  Could you possibly tell us that?

          MS. SHELLY:  I think that the State Department will be 
represented at a very senior level, and I really don't want to get into 
a naming of names here.

          Q    Do you know anything about a trip to North Korea later 
this month by the U.N. Secretary General?

          MS. SHELLY:  I don't have anything specific on that.  I'd be 
happy to check and see if we have anything.

          Q    Is it still the American position -- as I understand it 
was after the visit of President Kim -- that there ought to be no 
conditions attached to North Korea's going ahead with inspections on its 
declared nuclear sites and reopening a high-level dialogue with the 
South Koreans?

          MS. SHELLY:  I'm just not going to get into a discussion of 
the specifics on this.  This is a subject which is being discussed, as 
I've said, later this afternoon; and I'm just not going to get dragged 
into issues of this and that and linkages.  I just think it would be 
inappropriate for me to comment on the specifics.

          Q    Can you tell us what your understanding is of the IAEA's 

          MS. SHELLY:  I have seen some of the press reports on this.  
The IAEA's position on this matter, of course, will be very important as 
we proceed with our deliberations.  I'm aware of the fact that an IAEA 
spokesman said that the North Korean offer did not respond adequately to 
their position.

          As you know, the IAEA has an independent responsibility to 
decide whether or not the continuity of safeguards has been broken, and 
in particular what inspections they need to verify safeguards.  We have 
always said that we would accept the IAEA's determination of continuity 
of safeguards in North Korea.

          Q    Just to define what's going on at the White House, is the 
meeting today only about the nuclear issue or are other matters included 
such as North Korean troop buildups and such?

          MS. SHELLY:  I honestly couldn't tell you.  I know that the 
nuclear issue is on the agenda.  My guess is that it would not be 
terribly likely that it would be very narrowly focused, but I don't have 
any precise information on other agenda topics or related issues to this 

          Q    Is there a new American plan for the Balkans, especially 
considering Macedonia and Greek relations?

          MS. SHELLY:  The simple answer to your question is no, there 
is not a new American plan.  As you are aware, there were meetings last 
week in Geneva.  There was the special Ministerial meeting sponsored by 
the European Union and attended by European Union Foreign Ministers.  
The meeting was formally observed by U.S. Ambassador Redman, and also 
Russian officials attended as observers.

          As you know, there were three days of talks under the 
mediation of Lord Owen and under the U.N. Special Envoy Stoltenberg.  
These talks adjourned on the 2nd of December.

          The reports that we have are that the talks last week were 
very serious and substantive.  Certainly significant differences remain 
on a number of key issues.  Nonetheless, the parties have expressed a 
willingness to continue negotiating.  Bilateral contacts are also 
continuing this week, and we understand that the Co-Chairmen are 
expected to reconvene the general talks in approximately ten days, 
something like that.

          Q    Who were the talks between?

          MS. SHELLY:  I'm sorry.  

          Q    Was it in Bosnia -- general talks about Bosnia?  About 

          MS. SHELLY:  The talks about the Bosnian situation in its 

          Q    But the Greek press writes that there is a new American 
plan with five points considering Macedonia and Greek relations and 

          MS. SHELLY:  I'm not aware of any such plan.

          Q    Do you know when there might be a new Deputy Secretary of 
State?  I was just wondering, because we're talking about who goes to 
meetings when the Secretary's out of town.  A vacancy at the top or near 
the top.  Is there a choice or have I missed an announcement or 

          MS. SHELLY:  No, I don't believe you've missed an 
announcement.  I don't have anything for you on that.  I think that the 
Secretary is still continuing his consideration in the selection 
process, and I'm sure he will make his announcement when he's ready to 
do so.

          Q    I'm just wondering because I remember when there was a 
resignation I think we were told it would be very soon or soon or 

          Q    What can you tell us, please, on the talks that the State 
Department is hosting today involving NASA and the foreign partners in 
the space station project, and the Russians -- the potential partners in 
the space station project?

          MS. SHELLY:  I don't have any precise -- I tried to get some 
guidance on this earlier, but I don't have anything precise for you.  
I'm going to take that question and see what I can post for you later.

          Q    Can you tell us anything generally about these 
discussions -- their goals, where they're headed, etc. -- at this point?

          MS. SHELLY:  As I'm not an expert on this, I would really 
hesitate to do so.

          Q    With the Russian elections less than a week away, can you 
tell us something about your expectations for the elections and whether 
you think that in the runup to these polls that -- how you think the 
process has been?

          MS. SHELLY:  I would really rather come back to that on the 
basis of -- we talked about some of the aspects of that last week, and I 
don't really have anything to add to that.  I can see if we can give you 
a kind of general observation or expectation, see if we can post 
something on that.  I just don't have anything new today.

          Q    Is it possible that you might know whether the working 
groups that the Secretary and Mr. Kozyrev set up to deal with the 
Ukrainian problem have had any meetings, and indeed are the two sides 
addressing security guarantees?

          You know, they met, you remember, in Brussels and there was a 
joint news conference.  They said they were going to put these groups to 
work, and then it became clear one of the issues is to work together on 
security guarantees to Ukraine.  I was just wondering in the interim if 
anything's moved on that.

          MS. SHELLY:  I don't know if there has been any movement on 
this since just last Friday, since there were also two weekend days in 
the interim.  I'd be happy to check on that and see if there's any 
expectation about when exactly some of these meetings may start.

          Q    Do you have anything on a Chinese national that was 
arrested in North Carolina last week on charges of espionage -- I guess 
stealing business secrets?

          MS. SHELLY:  I've just seen the reports that indicate that 
there was an arrest of Yen Men Kao, allegedly for spying. What we're 
trying to do is really look into the facts of the incident.

          As a rule, as you know, we don't comment specifically on 
intelligence matters.  Since I don't have, really, the precise details 
surrounding the incident and what we may or may not have known from 
other kinds of channels, I can simply say I'm aware of the same thing 
that you are on it but I don't have anything more precise.

          Q    Are we attempting to deport him?

          MS. SHELLY:  I've also seen that there is some question about 
this that has come up, that there is a possibility that he may have 
overstayed his visa, which I understand was actually a business visa.

          As you know, the Immigration and Naturalization Service is 
actually responsible for the deportation of individuals, and so on this 
particular one I think I'd have to refer you to the INS for further 

          Q    Can you say anything about this meeting at the White 
House today with President Aristide and Prime Minister Malval?

          MS. SHELLY:  As you know, Prime Minister Malval has been in 
town since the end of last week.  He has been having a variety of 
meetings here.  He met with, as you know, Acting Secretary Peter Tarnoff 
on Friday.  I understand he was meeting with President Aristide over the 

          The possibility of a meeting at the White House, my 
understanding is that this is something that has been under discussion; 
but I don't think that anything in particular has been announced yet.  I 
think that possibility for late this afternoon is still open, but I 
don't think there's anything firm on it yet.

          Q    It's on the State Department's schedule.

          MS. SHELLY:  I think that there was the possibility that this 
would take place, so therefore the time for the senior State Department 
participant was blocked out so that he would be available to come during 
that time.  But I'm not aware that a precise decision or announcement on 
this particular visit has yet been made.

          Q    What's your understanding at the moment on how that 
situation stands -- whether Malval is going to stay as Prime Minister 
and whether there's going to be any new initiative on solving this 
problem with Haiti?

          MS. SHELLY:  What I understand to be the case is that the 
Prime Minister is actually going to be holding a press conference of his 
own this afternoon.  I think it's something in the neighborhood of 3:00, 
something like that.  I'm not sure what the precise time is, but we've 
been told that he is going to have a press conference.  That is the 
event where he will really indicate what the results of all of his 
discussions of the last few days are, and he will give his ideas for the 
way ahead.

          Q    Has he told you?

          MS. SHELLY:  He has discussed some of his ideas on that with 
the State Department last Friday with Mr. Tarnoff.  I think that this 
was a process which was still -- the discussions and then the final 
decisions were still very much in flux over the course of the weekend.

          I assume, since he scheduled the press conference this 
morning, that in his own mind now he has some precise ideas about the 
way ahead.  Certainly, his soundings that he took with the military, 
with some of the business leaders before he left Haiti, those 
impressions were certainly shared and discussed with us, including his 
own thoughts about how to move things out of the current political 
impasse.  I cannot really be anymore specific than that.

          Q    Do you have anything on the elections in Venezuela 
yesterday?  Are there any concerns that the policies of President 
Caldera could mean a reversal of the economic reforms in Venezuela?

          MS. SHELLY:  Yesterday Venezuela held what we consider to be 
very orderly and peaceful national elections.  We understand that voter 
turn out was quite high -- between 70 and 80 percent of eligible voters.

          Unofficial television projections, I understand, based on 
early vote results, predict a victory by former President Rafael 
Caldera.  Official results released thus far by the Supreme Electoral 
Council also show him ahead, although we understand these results are 
still preliminary.

          Certainly we will have no comment on the winner until the 
official results are clear.  But we certainly would like to congratulate 
the Venezuelan people for what we consider to be an exemplary electoral 

          Q    And also Ambassador Watson met last week with President 
Caldera in Caracas.  What was the purpose of that meeting?

          MS. SHELLY:  Broadly speaking, the purpose of Assistant 
Secretary Watson's visit was to meet with political and business leaders 
and to underscore the importance of Venezuelan democracy to the United 
States and certainly to the entire hemisphere.  Assistant Secretary 
Watson pointed out that continuance of the democratic process is 
essential to good relations between our two countries and to Venezuela's 
overall prospects for entering into a future trade agreement with the 
United States.

          We're also pleased that the Venezuelan people, once again, via 
their election have reaffirmed the 35-year old democratic tradition.

          Q    Have you got a statement to give us on the United States 
and Russia talking about re-targeting or de-targeting long-range 
missiles which they're doing and have been doing for months and months 
and months?

          MS. SHELLY:  I've got a little bit for you.  Let me share with 
you what I have.  As you're aware, last April 23 President Clinton 
announced a comprehensive review of measures that could enhance 
strategic stability, including the possibility of U.S. and Russia 
reprogramming their nuclear missiles so that they would not routinely be 
aimed at each other.

          The idea was previously discussed between Presidents Clinton 
and Yeltsin at the Vancouver Summit; that was in early April '93.  Since 
that time we have discussed this further with the Russians and with our 

          De-targeting is one of the key issues which is part of the 
nuclear posture review which was announced in late October by Secretary 
Aspin on behalf of the President.  In this collaborative effort, 
civilian and military planners are re-evaluating our entire nuclear 
posture for the first time since the Cold War ended.

          I would like to note that no decisions have been made on the 
issues which have been raised and discussed so far.  The results of the 
studies of the issues and our discussions will be forwarded to the 
President who will make the decisions regarding the changes and the 
number and disposition of our own nuclear weapons.  A timetable we're 
shooting toward is something like early spring.

          Q    Is there an interrelationship?  In other words, the 
United States wouldn't go ahead with the re-targeting unless the 
Russians agreed first to do the same thing?  Or are we prepared to do it 

          MS. SHELLY:  I'm not an expert on this issue, but it's my 
understanding that this is a process whereby we're both proceeding with 
this.  I'm not sure that there is any precise linkage between exact 
measures on one side and exact measures on the other.

          As you know, the State Department is a participant in these 
discussions; but some of the more precise things on the technical 
measures, exactly where the initiatives stand and the kind of sequencing 
or the balance between what the U.S. is thinking and what the Russians 
are thinking, I think I'd really have to refer you to experts at the 
Pentagon on that.

          Q    Can we go back to North Korea, please?  The North Korean 
Congress is meeting in three days, much in advance.  Is the United 
States expecting anything from this meeting, any change in position or 

          MS. SHELLY:  From?

          Q    The North Korean Congress.

          MS. SHELLY:  I don't have any precise information on that.

          Q    Okay.  I have another question, please.  Do you have 
anything about the disappearance of Chinese dissident Mashaohua?  I 
don't know how to pronounce the name -- Mashaohua.

          MS. SHELLY:  I'll have to take the question.

          Q    What is your latest reading of the talks in Addis Ababa 
between the Somali factions?

          MS. SHELLY:  I don't have a very precise readout for you.  
What I can tell you is that the various factions in Addis have been 
having a lot of meetings in the last couple of days.  Most of these have 
been in formal sessions, some have been in groups, some have been in 
one-on-one sessions.

          Certainly our feeling is that the talks are being entered into 
seriously, that the situation is very fluid; and I'm not sure we have 
any kind of preliminary readout now on progress.  The process of 
dialogue and the discussions about the future of Somalia, they are 
certainly very much in progress; but I don't really have much more than 
that to share with you.

          Q    Thank you very much.

          MS. SHELLY:  Thank you.

          (Press briefing concluded at 1:38 p.m.)


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