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US DEPARTMENT OF STATE
DAILY PRESS BRIEFING
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 1993

Subject                                         Page

ANNOUNCEMENT
Introduction of Student Intern Danielle Tracy ..1

HAITI
Implementation of Governor's Island Accord .....1-2,5
--  Caputo Calls for Talks among Parties .......1-2,5
Sanctions/Naval Blockade: ......................2-3,8-9
--  Ship Boardings .............................2,6
--  Tightening Sanctions/Policy of US/Others ...2-3,8-9
--  Impact on Haitians .........................3
--  Assets Frozen in US ........................3
Restoration of Democracy .......................4-5
Return of UN Mission/Timing ....................5
Report 650 Marines Aboard US Ship/Purpose ......5-6
Possible Broadening Political Participation ....6-8
Haitians Departing/Repatriated/Detained ........8
Safety of Aristide .............................9-10

LEBANON
Reported Abduction of General Aoun's Supporters 11

MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS
Bilateral Talks ................................11
--  Israeli-Jordanian Talks on Banking .........11
--  Upcoming Talks in Washington ...............11-13
Reported Visit to US by Rabin ..................11-12
Responsibility for Rabin-Arafat Meeting ........12-13
Implementing Declaration of Principles .........13

NORTH KOREA
Has Blix Report on Safeguards ..................13-15
IAEA Inspections/Replacement of Film ...........14

GERMANY
Attack on Americans by Neo-Nazis ...............14

FORMER YUGOSLAVIA
Report Bosnian Army Killed 19 Escaping Prisoners 14

DEPARTMENT
Secretary's Speech Tomorrow on NAFTA ...........15
--  No Daily Press Briefing ....................15
Secretary to Testify on Hill November 4-5 ......15

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                       DEPARTMENT OF STATE
                       DAILY PRESS BRIEFING

                                                 DPC #144

               MONDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 1993, 1:05 P.M.
              (ON THE RECORD UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED)


         MR. McCURRY:  A cheerful good afternoon to all of you.  I have 
one announcement at the very outset.  I'd like to introduce Danielle 
Tracy.  Danielle, please stand up and show yourself off for our troops 
here.

          She's an intern in our Press Office, studying journalism at 
Binghamton University in upstate New York.  She's been of very great 
help to us, and I know she'll be a help to you.  She's here to learn 
from all of us and, unfortunately, from all of you as well (laughter) 
given that her professional interest is journalism.  But as I often say 
of all of you and said to her, this is I think arguably the world's 
finest press corps, so I think she can learn a lot from you.

          And with that happy thought -- a good way to begin on a 
Monday.  O.K., that's the last nice thing we'll say today.  I'll go to 
your questions.

          Q    Gee, I don't have any.

          MR. McCURRY:  All right.  Anybody?  Great.  See you later.  
(Laughter)

          Q    Can you tell us what's going on on Haiti?

          MR. McCURRY:  On Haiti.  I think the latest on Haiti -- a 
couple of things that I'll cover.  Starting with what I think is most 
important is the initiative we talked about Friday by the U.N. Special 
Envoy, Dante Caputo.  I think, as you know, he called for urgent high-
level talks among the parties to resolve the problems, the impediments 
that have developed as the Governor's Island process itself continues to 
await implementation.  He indicated that the talks that he has called 
for between the parties that he has invited could be held in a location 
-- including a location inside Haiti -- but that has not been resolved.

          Again, I would emphasize, these are not discussions or talks 
that are aimed at rewriting any part of the Governor's Island Accord.  
They're really designed to unblock those  impediments that have 
developed to full implementation of the accords agreed to by the parties 
in New York.  Those steps are the same ones that you're familiar with.  
They include the creation of a new police force, the appointment of a 
new army and police commanders, an amnesty law and President Aristide's 
return to Haiti, steps necessary for the restoration of democracy to 
Haiti itself.

          That's the status of the dialogue.  We continue an aggressive 
program of enforcing the sanctions that have been implemented by the 
United Nations.  I've got some update, I think, on total boardings.  
Through Sunday, there have been a total of 39 ship boardings, 12 ship 
diversions.  Seven of the ship boardings occurred since we talked on 
Friday.  Five vessels were allowed to proceed; two were diverted because 
their cargo was inaccessible.  My understanding is that the cargo 
container ships -- it wasn't possible to examine the cargo and they were 
diverted elsewhere.

          I think that's about all I have.  I think the Times story 
today concerning the CIA, I've got nothing to say on that.  No comment 
as it is an intelligence matter.

          Q    Mike, last week Aristide called for stiffening the 
sanctions still further.  Can you explain what the U.S. Government's 
position on that is right now?

          MR. McCURRY:  In addition to the sanctions ordered by the OAS 
and the United Nations, we, in a sense, stiffened the sanctions on our 
own through some of the unilateral steps that we took, including 
freezing certain assets and restricting certain travel by named 
individuals in Haiti.

          We continue to believe that's an effective tool that can be 
used to bring pressure on those who are blocking implementation of the 
Governor's Island Accord.  We continue to urge other countries to 
consider similar measures to bring more weight behind the pressure 
growing on those responsible for thwarting the implementation of the 
accord and the restoration of democracy to Haiti.

          Q    Has any other country taken you up on that?

          MR. McCURRY:  We have had some indications from other 
countries -- I can't detail them for you -- but some indications that 
other countries are willing to consider similar measures.

          Q    That does not address the question of whether or not the 
United States supports the notion of a total embargo, as requested by 
Aristide?

          MR. McCURRY:  We have not ruled out a total blockade.  The 
steps that we're taking at the moment, though, are the ones that you're 
aware of and ones that we think, over time, will have an impact.  We 
think that the economic pressure that is  growing as a result of the 
U.N. and OAS ordered embargoes will have their effect on the political 
dialogue in Haiti and that we continue to think, given time for those 
sanctions to have their effect, the pressure will grow on those 
authorities and that they will understand their responsibility is to 
return to exactly the type of discussion that the Special Envoy has 
asked for so that we can resolve the impediments that have been placed 
in front of the Governor's Island process.

          Mary.

          Q    But how concerned are you that a total blockade would -- 
there's been interview after interview on TV each night of aid workers 
in hospitals in Haiti saying patients are dying already because of the 
blockade; more will surely die.  How much does that factor into the 
thinking on a total blockade?

          MR. McCURRY:  That is a factor.  I think you've often heard us 
describe economic sanctions as a blunt instrument and it is true that 
innocents pay a price for economic sanctions.  That's the nature of the 
tool itself.  But it's also a reminder to those who would claim to be in 
a position of authority in Haiti that their own people will suffer 
because of their continuing refusal to honor the commitments they made 
at the time the Governor's Island Accord was negotiated.

          Q    Can you say what the other factors are?  I guess I'm 
curious why there's any hesitancy at all to maximize the pressure on 
these guys -- the same sorts of sanctions we have on Serbia, for 
instance.

          MR. McCURRY:  Well, I think exactly because of Mary's question 
and because of the reports some of you are familiar with, because of the 
nature of the tool itself, there are consequences for those who are not 
responsible for the disruption of the Governor's Island process.  That 
is a source of concern to us.  Obviously, we are troubled when innocent 
civilians -- especially innocent children -- pay the price for these 
sanctions.

          But the important point, again, is ultimately -- the burden of 
those consequences fall upon those in Haiti who are refusing to honor 
the commitments that they made.

          Q    Mike, I think it was last Friday you were asked to 
quantify the frozen assets.  Have you gotten any numbers on it?

          MR. McCURRY:  I haven't had a lot of luck with that.  We have 
been in contact with the Treasury because they administer sanctions 
enforcement, I think as you know.  They tell us that the dollar volume 
of assets involved with our unilateral action on freezing assets is in 
the "tens of millions."  They do have some information on specific 
individuals who are directly affected by the sanctions and I think if 
you contact them, they can walk you through some of that.

          It's a changing number -- the number of blocked accounts -- 
and the assets involved is apparently something that is hard for them to 
give any great specifics to.  I would suggest that you call the Treasury 
office responsible for looking at that question.  They do have some 
information that's available.

          Q    And this "tens of millions" just refers to the frozen 
assets that are in the United States, or within U.S. reach?

          MR. McCURRY:  I believe those are accounts within the United 
States.  I'm not positive of that, though, so it would be good to 
double-check that.

          Q    What about any estimate of global?

          MR. McCURRY:  Foreign accounts?

          Q    Yes.

          MR. McCURRY:  They may have some estimates on that.  I don't 
have that here, though.

          Q    Michael, is this Administration establishing any 
difference between the goal of return of democracy to Haiti and return 
of Aristide to Haiti?

          MR. McCURRY:  We're not splitting hairs in that sense because 
we remain fully committed to the Governor's Island process.  That has a 
number of steps -- the ones that I identified just a moment ago -- that 
culminate in the return of President Aristide who was elected by the 
Haitian people.  So that is the process that we are attempting at this 
points to unblock.

          Q    Are you saying that the return of Aristide is a 
sinequanon condition for the return of democracy?

          MR. McCURRY:  It is the culminating step of the Governor's 
Island process which represents at this point the process that's being 
backed by the international community as it seeks the restoration of 
democracy in Haiti.

          Q    Mike, the suggestion in a column yesterday that Aristide 
step aside and that new elections be called, has that scenario been 
discussed by any Government official that you're aware of?

          MR. McCURRY:  Not that I'm aware of.  I think there have been 
a variety of calls.  I think, as you know, over the weekend, there were 
some comments made by individuals associated with the right of center in 
Haiti.  All of those proposals to us at the moment represent something 
other than  the process which we believe -- and which the international 
community believes -- offers the best prospect for the restoration of 
democracy, and that's the step-by-step, fairly meticulously drawn 
process that was negotiated at Governor's Island.

          Q    You say that the Administration remains committed to the 
Governor's Island process.  Does that mean it remains committed to 
placing the 600 U.S. military trainers and advisers back into Haiti?

          MR. McCURRY:  As the U.N. Special Envoy said, the 
establishment of that United Nations mission, as contained in Paragraph 
Five of the Governor's Island Accord, is one of those steps that is 
outlined in the process and it's something that the United States does 
attach importance to, yes.  As we have said all along, that they would 
return -- we indicated that that mission would return to Haiti at the 
point at which it could successfully complete its assignment.

          Q    On the proposal for new elections, you said, at the 
moment they represent something other than what we support -- what the 
United States supports -- which is the Governor's Island process.  What 
do you mean by "at the moment?"  You mean it's possible that the United 
States might support a return to democracy, i.e., the calling of new 
elections?

          MR. McCURRY:  No, I didn't want to indicate that that's 
something that we could conceivably support.  What we support is the 
process negotiated at Governor's Island, the one that the U.N. Special 
Envoy is now attempting to reinvigorate with his call for additional 
talks in Haiti or elsewhere.

          Q    Is it your understanding that the accord itself is, you 
know, on the table again?  You know, can be renegotiated?  

          MR. McCURRY:  It's very specifically not up for renegotiation.  
What is up for negotiation are discussions about how you can unblock the 
hurdles that are being placed in front of this process.

          The Special Envoy made very clear on Friday when he called for 
these new negotiations that they were not designed to renegotiate the 
accord itself.  They were designed to examine those impediments being 
placed in the way of the process to see how they could be removed.

          Q    Mike, a ship with 650 Marines on board has now taken its 
place in the picket line.  What's the purpose of having Marines on board 
a ship if we don't have any intent to invade Haiti?

          MR. McCURRY:  I was not aware of that, but I'll check with the 
Pentagon folks who can tell me a little bit more about what they've got 
deployed.  You're not referring to a Coast Guard vessel?

          Q    No.

          MR. McCURRY:  I'll see if we can talk to the Pentagon and find 
out more about that deployment.

          Q    Mike, I was going to ask, in connection with -- if there 
are no other questions asked --  among the 39 boardings, was there any 
resistance?  Anybody hurt?  And what flags were these ships flying, 
these 39 ships that were boarded?

          MR. McCURRY:  I don't have the detail on what flags they were 
carrying.  The only one that I'm aware of is the one we talked about 
Friday.  One Cypriot-flagged vessel was diverted because there was some 
evidence that it had military-type vehicles on board, but I can see if I 
can get some more information on what other flags -- 

          Q    And what about incidents, if any?

          MR. McCURRY:  I'm not aware that there have been any incidents 
with any of these boardings.  I think they've all been conducted within 
peaceful norms.

          Q    It would appear then, from what you were just saying, 
that the 650 Marines who were sent there are not there because of any 
incidents connected with the boardings or something else?

          MR. McCURRY:  I don't want to speculate as to their mission 
not knowing how they're deployed and where they're deployed.

          Q    Can I go to the Middle East now, please?

          MR. McCURRY:  We've got some more here.

          Q    Among the demands of the right-wingers, evidently, is 
that Caputo himself step down and there's been one suggestion that he be 
replaced by Colin Powell.  Do you have any thoughts on that?

          MR. McCURRY:  As highly regarded as Colin Powell is, it's 
Dante Caputo who is now negotiating on behalf of the United Nations.  I 
believe he has the full backing of the United Nations, including the 
United States.

          Q    Mike, one of the hurdles that's been put in place for 
Governor's Island has been a suggestion that President Aristide broaden 
his government, which was made to him and rejected.  Is that once again 
a live option?

          MR. McCURRY:  You'll have to refresh my memory because I think 
some discussion of this occurred while we were travelling with the 
Secretary abroad.  But I think during that  period there were some 
discussions that we had about the importance of broadening the political 
coalition that could help with the restoration of democracy in Haiti.

          I believe there were some suggestions made here by 
policymakers within the Administration that it would be useful to 
include other elements of the political life of Haiti within both the 
government and within the political coalition that could support 
President Aristide and the Malval government.  They specifically 
excluded participation by those who would clearly be seen as thwarting 
the process of democratization in Haiti.  I think there were some very 
specific people mentioned.

          Q    Can I follow up on that?  Have there been any direct 
discussions with President Aristide or Aristide's people on this issue?

          MR. McCURRY:  I don't know the answer to that, Steve.

          Q    I want to be clear because --

          MR. McCURRY:  There have been close discussions with Prime 
Minister Malval and with others in the Governor's Island process, but I 
don't know the detail to which they've discussed questions like 
broadening the political participation within the government itself.

          Q    I want to be clear because that changes things from the 
harmony guidance, I guess I would call it, that Christopher recited when 
asked about Haiti in Latvia.  His position then was we have no 
objections.  We don't stand in the way should they decide, for the sake 
of harmony, to bring in opposition parties but, gee, we wouldn't want 
them to bring in any of the thugs.

          MR. McCURRY:  No.  That's exactly the position.

          Q    No.  You said something more.  You said this is being 
pushed, or this has been proposed by people in the State Department.  Is 
it now a U.S. initiative to lean on Aristide to bring in opposition 
people?

          MR. McCURRY:  No.  My remarks were meant to be entirely 
consistent with the Secretary's.  It's not something we would object to, 
but we have encouraged -- we haven't made a specific request to any of 
the parties to take specific steps to include specific opposition 
parties.  In the general proposition of making sure there's broad 
political support within Haiti's political life for the work of the 
government and for the effort to restore democracy, that is something 
that we have suggested in our conversations with him, but not as to 
specific participation by specific opposition elements.

          Q    Mike, you mentioned this initiative to broaden political 
participation as one of the ideas that some people in the building think 
could help unblock the Governor's Island process.  Are there any other 
ideas that are out there that the U.S. State Department thinks could 
help unblock the process?

          MR. McCURRY:  The principal idea is to have the discussions 
that the Special Envoy has called for.  In the course of those 
discussions, you can explore different ideas that would work to unblock 
the process.  I don't want to detail them now.  I think what we're 
hoping for is exactly the type of conversation that would provide some 
answers to a question like that.

          Q    Is the number of boat people on the upswing again?

          MR. McCURRY:  Not that we have detected.  The last 
interdiction by the Coast Guard was on October 26 when there were 28 
Haitians picked up.  They were repatriated to Port-au-Prince without 
incident.

          There were four Haitians who were held by the police following 
the interdiction of 15 Haitians on October 25, and their repatriation to 
Port-au-Prince on October -- they were repatriated on October 27.

          I think those were the four who had been held by the police, 
and our understanding is that they were released Friday afternoon.  
These were the only two interdictions and repatriations since September 
20.

          Q    Well, on that point, one of the reasons you and others 
have said that this is a matter of U.S. national security is the 
prospect of hundreds or thousands of boat people heading this way.  This 
does not appear to be happening.

          Does this reduce in any sense the vital national interests of 
the United States?

          MR. McCURRY:  No.  I think it would reflect, to the contrary, 
the very strong presentation we have made publicly about the 
continuation of our policies as they relate to refugees, and it's also 
the very strong commitment we've made through the presence of the United 
States Coast Guard off Haiti to demonstrate that we intend to follow our 
policy very, very carefully.

          I think that message is probably being received loud and clear 
in Haiti.

          Q    Michael, if I could just follow up.  I just want to tie 
up some loose ends on this question of the blockade.  I'm a little bit 
confused.  Are you saying that the U.S. would support a more 
comprehensive blockade, even though it does believe that a more 
comprehensive blockade would cost the lives of some Haitians?

          MR. McCURRY:  No, I'm saying that we have not ruled out 
additional stricter sanctions.  But at the moment the sanctions that are 
in effect, that we are helping to enforce, we believe can be effective 
in bringing pressure to bear on the parties that need to get back to the 
Governor's Island process.

          Q    Mike, let me follow on Barry's question.  When the 
Secretary was in Riga, he and other U.S. officials made it pretty clear 
that they didn't think it was safe enough for Aristide to go down there 
over the weekend.

          My question is how -- what needs to happen on the ground for 
it to become safe enough for Aristide, as far as the Administration is 
concerned?

          MR. McCURRY:  I'm not a security expert.  I wouldn't want to 
speculate on it, but I can tell you one thing that I think would 
generate some confidence is for the parties to accept the invitation of 
the U.N. Special Envoy to begin the discussions about getting the 
Governor's Island process back on track.  That would be certainly among 
the things that would inspire some confidence about the security 
situation in Haiti.

          Q    Mike, isn't it a fine line between talking about what is 
necessary -- negotiating to unblock the Governor's Island Accord and 
renegotiating the Governor's Island Accord.  I don't understand the 
difference.

          MR. McCURRY:  I don't know that I want to help you understand 
the difference.  (Laughter)

          Q    I just wonder how long do these negotiations and the 
sanctions go on?  Is there no time limit?  Is there no limit to the 
patience of the United States in bringing this to a conclusion?

          MR. McCURRY:  I mean, "patience" is not the accurate way to 
describe the very vigorous enforcement of the sanctions ordered by the 
world community that's now going on off Haiti, and those do, in effect, 
provide a timetable because they begin to have enormous consequences for 
the people of Haiti and specifically for the military and police 
authorities that are currently blocking the process.

          So that provides in a sense a timetable that does bring 
additional pressure.

          Q    Well, have you noticed any yielding on the Governor's 
Island Accords as a result of the sanctions so far?

          MR. McCURRY:  We haven't noticed yielding, but there continue 
to be discussions underway, and there continues to be hope by the 
Special Envoy that the type of convocation that he is describing might 
make a difference.

          Q    Most of the people there simply report -- most of the 
reporters there simply report the belief of the military and the police 
that the Governor's Island Accords are now history.  That's what they 
think.

          MR. McCURRY:  I don't know whether that represents a majority 
opinion in Haiti, but I do think that there is a process embedded in 
that accord that can be useful in looking at ways to restore democracy 
to Haiti.  I think that's why the United Nations Special Envoy, and the 
United States working with that U.N. effort, believes that that accord 
can be made the foundation for steps that would, in fact, bring back a 
return to democratic life in Haiti.

          Q    Mike, can I follow up on Sid's question on what would it 
take to make Haiti safe for President Aristide.  Given the fact that 
you've got all these Duvalierists and others who are actually calling 
for Cedras to resign, has the United States identified any elements 
within the Haitian military or police that would be able to provide a 
secure environment once President Aristide is returned?

          MR. McCURRY:  Within the existing military and police?

          Q    Yes.

          MR. McCURRY:  I'm not aware of any, Steve.  The only steps 
that I'm aware of that we've taken are to train some Haitians who might 
be able to serve as a bodyguard function for President Aristide.  But I 
do believe -- the sense has been that would be successful only to the 
degree that there was some cooperation from the military and from a 
separated civilian police.

          Q    Who's going to lead this military or separate civilian 
police?  If you haven't identified people who would guarantee Aristide's 
safety, who is going to be the commander of this new army and this new 
police force?

          MR. McCURRY:  Through the Embassy, through the work of 
Ambassador Swing, they have had -- I mean, they watch very carefully the 
emerging political dynamic in Haiti, and I think that they certainly are 
aware that there would be people who would replace those whose 
resignations or departures are suggested in the Governor's Island 
Accord.  That is a question that you can presume that they have 
examined, but not one that I can comment upon at any great length.

          Q    Has the Administration offered bodyguards -- American 
bodyguards for Aristide if he wants to go back?

          MR. McCURRY:  Yes -- no, I'm sorry -- we have participated in 
training Haitian bodyguards, feeling that that is the appropriate --

          Q    No offer of Americans to go help to -- 

          MR. McCURRY:  Not that I'm aware of.

          Q    Okay, Mike?

          MR. McCURRY:  Next subject.

          Q    Thank you.

          MR. McCURRY:  Joe.

          Q    A colleague has asked me to ask you about the situation 
in Lebanon in which seven Lebanese who were supporters of General Aoun 
-- Michel Aoun -- have been kidnapped and taken away some place for 
possible torture, and so on, and they presume that Syrian agents, armed 
civilians, abducted him.  Have you something to say about that?

          MR. McCURRY:  I don't.  Thank you for calling it to my 
attention.  I can see if we know anything about it and if we've got 
anything to say about it.

          Q    Now, what about the beginning of the resumption of 
bilateral talks?  Do you have something on that?

          MR. McCURRY:  I don't, other than to say I think some of you 
know that there are some -- I wanted to let you know in case you are 
wondering -- the Israeli and Jordanian representatives have got some 
discussions going on today on the issue of Jordanian banks and how they 
might operate in the occupied territories.  These talks are, in fact, 
part of the bilateral peace negotiations between Jordan and Israel, and 
they are talks technical in nature, expected to continue for a few days.  
We'll leave it up to the parties to provide any detail on those 
conversations.

          As to the larger question about the resumption of talks, I 
think you know Ambassador Ross has returned from the region, and he's 
discussing with the Secretary the steps that we could take next to 
continue to prod the process forward.

          I don't at this time have any information on when we might 
resume a round of discussions here in Washington or when the Secretary 
might travel to the region, but those are all steps that are certainly 
being discussed and contemplated here and with the parties themselves.

          Q    Mike, one Israeli newspaper is reporting today that Rabin 
is coming to the United States and moving up his arrival here by a 
couple of weeks to discuss, among other things, U.S. security guarantees 
for the Golan should Israel get down from the Golan.  Do you know 
anything about that?

          MR. McCURRY:  I'll separate the questions.  I wouldn't steer 
you away from the idea that he might be coming, he might be coming some 
time this month -- shortly, in fact.  On the substance of his agenda, I 
wouldn't want to speculate on that.

          Q    These banking talks, are they in Washington or in the 
region?

          MR. McCURRY:  Here.  Here, I think in the Department.

          Q    Mike, the Secretary has already said the U.S. is prepared 
to provide security guarantees to Israel and Syria, should they work out 
this question on the Golan.  Is that still the case?  Those things that 
were discussed several months ago are still on the front burner?

          MR. McCURRY:  I don't know of anything that would -- any 
change in the type of discussions that we've had on that question with 
the parties.

          Q    Michael, when you say he's coming and coming soon, is 
there a reason why this can't be announced?

          MR. McCURRY:  Only because I want to check with my friends 
over in the direction of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue before I say anything 
specific -- which you might do.

          Q    But did the U.S. speed up his visit?  I mean, he had the 
spontaneous idea to come here earlier, or did you kind of put a little 
push behind him?

          MR. McCURRY:  The subject of his travels here and what his 
agenda would be --

          Q    He was going to come around Thanksgiving time.

          MR. McCURRY:  -- came up in Ambassador Ross' recent travels.  
I don't know the degree to which they discussed his itinerary or his 
timing.

          Q    That's very polite, but did the U.S. ask him to be --

          MR. McCURRY:  I tend to be very polite.

          Q    -- over here pretty soon, because we want to talk to you 
about the Golan Heights?

          MR. McCURRY:  I don't know that we communicate in that fashion 
when we're talking with our close ally.

          Q    Well, you always have before.

          Q    Mike, you mentioned Dennis Ross (inaudible) the Middle 
East.  Following his speech before the National Association of Arab-
Americans, the second anniversary of the Madrid Conference, there's been 
speculation that while some of the tactics that were employed in 
bringing about the September 13 ceremony at the White House, the chief 
architect of the proceedings since Madrid was by the United States, and 
that Dennis Ross was the chief craftsman.

          Can you comment on some -- that he was the strategist that 
brought about this train of events coming to culmination on September 
13, including the meeting between Arafat and Rabin.

          MR. McCURRY:  Ambassador Ross is an enormously talented and 
gifted diplomat, but I doubt that even he would take that much credit 
for the historic events that unfolded here in September.

          Q    In his speech last week, he took a lot of credit for the 
United States.  Norway's role seems to be vanishing and the U.S. role 
seems to be growing every day, and those of us who were around this 
story didn't happen to see all this activity.

          I mean, we saw a lot of, you know, comings and goings and 
Dennis kept going and coming and coming and going.  But as far as we 
figured out at that point, Israel and the PLO kind of did this 
themselves with some help from Norway.  But then history's conveniently 
rewritten all the time.

          MR. McCURRY:  I think given the enormous and correct interest 
that the international media had and the valuable role played by Norway, 
Ambassador Ross was perhaps suggesting that there were some others who 
helped nurture the process along.  I believe that was the intent of his 
remark.

          Q    Could I go a little further.  What about the money for 
the Palestinians?  The Palestinians seem to be asking for a police force 
of 25,000 officers and even if they only got $5,000 a year apiece, that 
would be almost one-fifth of all the money that the Donors Conference 
raised with such fanfare on -- when was it? -- October 1.

          What do you think of things like that?  And they want 700 
square miles to represent Jericho, and all these other things.  Is this 
helping the peace process?

          MR. McCURRY:  I don't know that we have rendered any specific 
judgments on that request.  So what I can tell you is it is important 
that within the structure of the joint Declaration of Principles, there 
is a mechanism to address exactly this kind of issue.  So, of course, 
it's something that will go to the committee that's been established 
that's now looking at the best means of implementing those accords.

          Q    There's a meeting supposed to be held by the committee 
representing Jordan, Israel and the United States, to be held within a 
few days.  Is that to be held here?  I don't know much more about it.  I 
didn't ask anyone.

          MR. McCURRY:  It's a good question.  I don't know the answer 
to that, but we certainly can find out more about when they're 
scheduled.  This is the three-way group called for in the Declaration.  
I'll find out more about that, Joe.

          Mary.

          Q    Michael, can you tell us what the status is with North 
Korea on the issue of possible sanctions at the U.N.?

          MR. McCURRY:  I can't tell you anything at the moment beyond 
where we were on Friday.  My understanding is that the Director General 
of the IAEA, Mr. Blix, will be reporting shortly in New York on the 
status of his evaluation of the continuity of safeguards in North Korea.  
Any suggestion that those safeguards -- the continuity of the safeguards 
had been broken would likely trigger very quickly a referral back to the 
United Nations Security Council, although it's not necessarily the only 
thing that could trigger such a referral.

          But at the moment, I think we're awaiting that report.  We'll 
certainly evaluate what he has to say, and we will continue to encourage 
North Korea to take those steps necessary to satisfy the world community 
that the continuity of important safeguards relating to proliferation 
issues have been maintained.

          Q    That report's due today?

          MR. McCURRY:  Yes.  It's my understanding it's being made by 
the Director General at some point today, maybe even during this hour.

          Q    Mike, didn't the North Koreans say over the weekend that 
the IAEA could replace the film in the cameras where it had run out?

          MR. McCURRY:  I saw some news accounts over the weekend 
indicating that they had indicated a willingness to allow some 
inspections.  I don't know whether those are inspections that would 
satisfy the concerns of the IAEA, and again we'll see what the Director 
General of the IAEA reports on that question.

          Q    Do you have any reaction to the attack on Americans by 
German neo-Nazis, and has this been taken up with the German Government 
at all?

          MR. McCURRY:  I don't have a reaction here.  There was some 
discussion earlier of developing something, so if you could check in 
with the Press Office later on this afternoon.

          Q    Mike, any reaction on the reports out of Bosnia that 
members of the Bosnian army -- Muslim-dominant Bosnian army -- killed 19 
prisoners, Croatian prisoners, who they claim were trying to escape?

          MR. McCURRY:  I had not seen that report.  Reports of that 
nature are things that we look at very carefully, because incidents of 
that nature are something that we, of course, would condemn in the 
strongest possible language.  But I'll see if we've got something 
further on that specific report.

          Q    Anything on the reports that U.N. peacekeepers have 
involved themselves in the rapes --

          MR. McCURRY:  We saw that report just prior to the beginning 
of the briefing, and we're attempting to learn more about that.  I did 
note on the news account that I saw that a spokesman for the United 
Nations indicated that would be something that UNPROFOR would 
investigate with a certain amount of urgency, which, of course, we would 
expect.

          Q    Mike, are you going to make a comment after the Hans Blix 
report to the U.N. Security Council this afternoon, or we have to wait 
until tomorrow?

          MR. McCURRY:  I'll check an see if -- it may be possible, 
depending on the nature of the report, that we might be able to get you 
something today.  If not, we will have to post something tomorrow. 

          By the way, there will not a Daily Briefing tomorrow, due to 
the Secretary's speech in California on the important foreign policy 
implications of NAFTA.  I would also remind you later on in the week 
that the Secretary's got some important appearances on Capitol Hill on 
both Thursday and Friday, so we'll probably curtail the briefing 
schedule for those days.  But you'll have the Secretary those days 
rather than the Spokesman.

          Q    With that in mind, if you get anything on the German 
situation, could you maybe get it to us today?

          MR. McCURRY:  Yes.  We'll get that out.

          Q    Could we get a guest speaker, Assistant Secretary level, 
tomorrow?

          MR. McCURRY:  Not tomorrow.  Later on in the week, I'm 
arranging some -- during those days in which we're not having any formal 
daily briefing, I'd like to have some others to come down and talk about 
some things they are working on.  I've got one planned for Friday at 
this point, but I'll tell you more about it later in the week.

          Q    Would you let us know in advance?

          MR. McCURRY:  Barry, whatever we provide, it would be of 
enormous interest to the press corps, I'm sure.

          Q    Thank you.

          (The briefing concluded at 1:40 p.m.)

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