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                      DEPARTMENT OF STATE
                      DAILY PRESS BRIEFING

                                                      DPC #83

               TUESDAY, JUNE 8, 1993, l2:42 P.M.

          MR. SNYDER:  Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.  I've got 
one small announcement off the top, if I could.  We're pleased to 
welcome yet another intern in the Press Office: Scott Smith, from 
Madison, Wisconsin.  Scott attends the University of Wisconsin at 
Madison and has just finished his junior year.  His two majors are 
political science and international relations, with a minor in 
communication arts. It sounds like he's perfectly suited for working 
with us.

          He'll be with us through the summer, and hopefully he'll be 
helping you all as much as he'll be helping us.

          Welcome, Scott.

          And, with that, I would be happy to take any questions.

          Q    Have you seen the comments attributed to Lord Owen this 
morning in Luxembourg?  He said Europe should stop counting on American 
ground forces in efforts to protect Bosnia's Muslim civilians.  He said 
it was weakening and debilitating that the United States, as the most 
powerful country in NATO, is not ready to contribute ground forces.

          MR. SNYDER:  George, the simple answer is:  No, I have not 
seen Lord Owen's comments.  So I would hesitate, without having seen 
them before and looked at them carefully, to give any reaction to it.

          I think our position on ground forces is fairly clear. It's 
been stated many times by the President and the Secretary.

          Q    Joe, what's the status of the discussions with Mayor 
Flynn?  The White House says he's here today meeting with Peter Tarnoff.  
Where does that stand?

          MR. SNYDER:  He is meeting with Peter Tarnoff, and as far as I 
know the talks are still going on.  In the course of preparing for his 
assignment, Mayor Flynn has discussed his role as the Ambassador to the 
Holy See at length with State Department officials.  This is normal for 
any Ambassador-designate.

          He did meet late this morning -- may still be meeting; I don't 
know -- with Acting Secretary Tarnoff, who's been in touch with the 
Secretary on this.

          Q    Was this meeting a long-scheduled meeting or was it 
something that may have been called in the last 48 hours or so because 
of all the negative publicity surrounding his complaints and concerns?

          MR. SNYDER:  I don't know.  I honestly don't know.

          Q    Well, can you give us some information then maybe on the 
status of how the State Department sees his job description, or 
potential job description, as opposed to the way he has been reporting 
he'd like it to be seen?

          MR. SNYDER:  Let me, first of all, reiterate what Mike McCurry 
said yesterday and dismiss the idea that this has ever been a ceremonial 
position.  The Vatican has global influence and U.S. ambassadors there 
have been fully engaged with the Holy See to advance some of our most 
important policy objectives, including promoting democracy and human 
rights, and working on key humanitarian issues such as refugees.

          And we expect Mayor Flynn to be fully and productively engaged 
as our Ambassador to the Vatican.

          Q    A spokesperson over at the White House said today that 
they want to see this little tiff worked out by tonight. Is that 
consistent with the State Department's view?

          MR. SNYDER:  Mayor Flynn has been named by the White House as 
our Ambassador to the Vatican and we certainly would like to see him go 
out as our Ambassador to the Vatican, yes.

          Q    Do you accept the premise that there's been a tiff?

          MR. SNYDER:  No.  There's obviously been a lot of discussion 
in the papers.  He is the President's nominee, and we want to see him go 
out there.  I think that's important.

          Q    Joe, were there any promises made to Mayor Flynn 
concerning his duties -- that he would actually be encouraged to travel 
with the Pope and to focus on these kinds of global issues, to do things 
that traditionally ambassadors to the Holy See have not done?

          MR. SNYDER:  On the question of what else -- what he might do 
-- should the President or the Secretary want any Ambassador to take on 
responsibilities as international circumstances warrant, that of course 
is always possible.  It certainly would be possible in the case of Mayor 

          Q    (Inaudible) that he would be allowed to do this?

          MR. SNYDER:  I'm not aware of any specific commitments.  I'm 
not so sure that discussions went along those lines; but I'm not aware 
of any commitments, no.

          Q    Joe, if it's such an important job involving technical 
things such as dealing with refugee matters and human rights, why is it 
that the Administration has chosen a political appointee for this job?

          MR. SNYDER:  Well, we have a large number of political 
appointees -- we traditionally have in our ambassadorial corps. They go 
to very important countries.  They go to some of the most important 
countries in the world.  So I don't quite understand the thrust of your 

          Q    Well, the way you describe it, he's getting into the 
detailed work of human rights, refugee matters, and other humanitarian 
things, which usually have been the province of a special bureau of the 
State Department, which then operates with its own people, not with 
political appointees.

          MR. SNYDER:  No, Jim.  Jim, our ambassadors deal with a huge 
range of issues all over the world.  We have ambassadors in our most 
important posts -- Ambassador Strauss was our Ambassador to Moscow; he 
was a political appointee.  He dealt with technical issues.  He dealt 
with very important issues. And it's the same -- I don't need to go 
country by country -- but political ambassadors do carry out all of the 
work the State Department has -- technical work and work that you might 
describe as non-technical.

          But I just don't accept the premise that a political appointee 
should somehow not be in an important post or a post which deals with 
technical issues.

          Q    Well, how does the State Department intend to deal with 
the fact that he will not have as much money as he thinks he ought to 
have to carry out the job the way he would like to do it?

          MR. SNYDER:  As I think we said a couple of weeks ago -- well, 
I'm not sure we actually said it -- in any case, we will be increasing 
his travel and representation accounts, while he's at the Vatican 
Embassy, sufficient for Ambassador-designate Flynn to meet the 
responsibilities of his position.

          Q    By how much?

          MR. SNYDER:  I can't get into that -- into figures.

          Q    I'm just wondering, if we've exhausted this major issue, 
we can go back to Yugoslavia where we were at the beginning, if there's 
no objection?

          Q    I had one.

          Q    Oh, okay.  Please, let's carry on with this one.

          Q    Just a quick one.  Does the State Department -- does the 
Administration find this sort of jockeying by an appointee a tad bit 

          MR. SNYDER:  I don't want to really characterize it. We have 
discussions with ambassadors about what their duties are going to be, 
particularly ambassadors who are not career members of the Foreign 
Service.  Discussions go on on what their duties will be.  I don't want 
to characterize it any further.


          Q    Well, I'm interested in your analysis of what's happening 
in Bosnia since one of the aims -- one of the re-declared aims -- of the 
Administration, which I think is still the aim of the Administration, is 
to confine or limit the conflict.

          MR. SNYDER:  What's going on?  Okay.  Let me give you an 
update on the military situation.  Bosnian Serbs are continuing their 
assault on Gorazde.  Tank and artillery attacks on the city took place 
overnight.  U.N. observers are still unable to enter the enclave.

          Government forces are continuing their attacks in Travnik.  
Bosnian Croat villagers are still fleeing the area, and there are 
reports that some Bosnian Croat fighters and villagers have surrendered 
to Bosnian Serb forces in order to save themselves from the fighting.  
We are, of course, very concerned for the welfare of the civilian 
population in Travnik and throughout Bosnia.

          Fighting continues along the northern corridor in Gradacac and 
Brcko.  There are also reports of shelling in the northwestern city of 
Bihac and of small arms and sniper fire in the southern city of Mostar.

          Q    Do you have any explanation for why these things should 
have happened -- Travnik, in particular -- why that should have flared 
up all of a sudden?

          MR. SNYDER:  No, I don't have any particular explanation for 
why it should happen.

          As you know, of course, we are working at the U.N.  The U.N. 
is working on particular elements of implementing the safe areas 
resolution.  Such details as the number of troops sent to each area, the 
exact nature of each safe area, and routes to and from each area, these 
are all being worked out in the U.N. right now.

          The Secretary General is preparing a report.  This will 
contain his recommendations for implementing the safe areas resolution.  
We expect that report to be issued as early as the end of this week.

          Q    Has the outburst of ferocity led to any thought of 
speeding up the implementation of the safe areas resolution on the basis 
that it will be good to get people there to defend the civilians while 
there are still civilians to defend?

          MR. SNYDER:  Alan, we've already spoken, I think, at some 
length about the urgency in the situation.  We realize it's an urgent 
situation.  That's why we're pressing for as early implementation as 
possible of the safe areas resolution and, indeed, for the other 
elements of the Joint Action Program that was announced on April 22 --

          Q    Coming back to Lord Owen's point --

          MR. SNYDER:  Sorry, May 22.

          Q    -- and George's point, you don't see that it weakens the 
U.S. hand in urging the early implementation when you're talking about 
sending other people's sons and husbands and brothers into what is 
clearly an extremely unstable and dangerous situation?

          MR. SNYDER:  Alan, let's go back and review this -- the same 
kind of question has been asked before.  We are already very much 
involved in the situation in Bosnia.  We are involved militarily.  We're 
involved with the airlift operation, which has resumed.  We're involved 
with the air drops.  We're involved with monitoring and enforcing the 
"no-fly" zone.

          There is a division of labor among the various countries who 
are involved.  This has been agreed.  This was agreed -- was reinforced 
on May 22 at the Washington meeting. We are doing what we think would be 
appropriate in the situation, and we think we have a role to play in 
encouraging full implementation of the resolution.

          The safe areas resolution, as you know, will involve further 
U.S. forces.

          Q    Joe, you just mentioned -- there is, as you put it, a 
division of labor between the different nations of the world community.

          Now, the Russians yesterday said they wouldn't send more 
troops to Bosnia.  The French today announced they will not send 
additional troops to Bosnia.  Do you see those two announcements as a 
break in this division of labor that you were just talking about?

          MR. SNYDER:  Well, as you pointed out, they both have forces 
there now.  The Secretary General is working on his report on what 
exactly needs to be done to implement the latest resolution.  Let's wait 
and see what his report says and then we'll comment on what kind of 
forces are needed.  We don't have those kinds of figures right now.

          Q    Have you seen the reports that Muslim groups are now 
fighting each other?

          MR. SNYDER:  No.

          Q    There's a splinter Muslim group which is fighting main 

          MR. SNYDER:  No, I haven't.  Sorry, Jim.

          Q    Joe, have you seen the Amnesty International report 
commenting on U.S. security assistance being provided to countries which 
do not protect human rights?

          MR. SNYDER:  George, I haven't seen it.  I did hear about it 
actually, just before I came in.  I'll see if we can get something for 
you on it.

          Q    I provided a copy to the building at about 8:00 this 

          MR. SNYDER:  It was brought to my attention late in the 
morning, and I'll see if we can get something for you.

          Q    On that topic, Joe, does this Administration -- is it 
considering linking security assistance more strongly to human rights 

          MR. SNYDER:  Well, certainly, the President and the Secretary 
have been very clear in stating that human rights is going to be a very 
high priority subject for this Administration.  How exactly that will be 
carried out in terms of assistance matters, I really can't specify right 
now.  But, certainly, human rights is a very important component of our 
foreign policy under this Administration.

          Q    This report points out that two of the largest recipients 
of the American aid -- Egypt and Israel -- are among those countries 
which don't respect human rights.

          Regardless of the report, are you saying that this 
Administration is ready to put more pressure on those two countries in 
order for them to respect more strictly --

          MR. SNYDER:  Jacques, as I said, I'm really not in a position 
to comment on individual aspects of our aid program; and I really don't 
have an answer for you on that.

          Q    Does this, though, perhaps indicate a change in the U.S. 
Government's policy towards the priority of human rights?  Is this a 
change from the past, do you think?

          MR. SNYDER:  I think it's been characterized by the Secretary 
and the President both as a change from the past. There's a greater 
emphasis on human rights.

          Q    Joe on another subject, Assistant Secretary Moose is 
meeting with Momolu Sirleaf this afternoon.  Does he intend to bring up 
the massacre of 300 civilians in Liberia?

          MR. SNYDER:  I don't know specifically.  Let me check. I 
certainly imagine that he will.  That's very much on our minds, as Mike 
mentioned yesterday.  But let me see if I can get you a readout on the 

          Q    Any reaction to the departure of Mr. Bazin, his 
withdrawal from government?  It was announced this morning.

          MR. SNYDER:  No.

          Q    Just before we came into the room.  Nothing?

          MR. SNYDER:  I wasn't aware of it.

          Q    Would you try to get something on this?

          MR. SNYDER:  I'll see if I can get something.

          Q    Joe, the Haitian Prime Minister yesterday said that he 
was willing to meet with Aristide within the next 48 hours.  Are you 
aware of anything in the works?  Are we trying to facilitate any kind of 
meeting between these --

          MR. SNYDER:  No, I'm not.  Isn't this the man who just 
announced his resignation?  (Laughter)  I'll see what I can say about 
recent developments in Haiti.

          Q    Maybe that says more.

          Q    Do you know when Faisal Husseini is supposed to come for 
his pre-discussions, or whatever they're being called?

          MR. SNYDER:  No, I don't.  I think Mike said something about 
that yesterday.  We don't know when he's coming, and I haven't heard 
anything new.

          Q    I heard that a court decision has come down on the 
Haitian refugees in Guantanamo.  Have you heard anything like that at 

          MR. SNYDER:  No, I haven't.  That's basically an INS matter, 
and not a State Department matter.

          Jim, you asked about when is Faisal Husseini coming.  I do 
have something on the peace talks.  Let me let you know what little bit 
that I've got.

          In our initial contacts with the parties, they have indicated 
they will be here for the resumption of bilateral negotiations beginning 
on June 15.

          Q    Do you have the scheduled duration --

          Q    You used the word "indicate."  Is that a formal reply or 
are they just --

          MR. SNYDER:  Well, there aren't formal invitations. The talks 
are going to resume.  They indicated to us that they're going to come 
back.  We expect the talks will begin on Tuesday -- I believe that is.

          Q    They've told you in plain English, or did they do it by 

          MR. SNYDER:  Yes, they told us in plain English. You're right.  
Thank you, Alan.  I appreciate your assistance.

          Q    They didn't do it in (inaudible) or something like that.  
Do you have a estimated duration that you have indicated to the parties 
that you would like them to stay for these talks?  Or is it open-ended?

          MR. SNYDER:  As always, it's open-ended.  I have not heard any 
end to the talks.  We would like to see them work seriously and work 
hard on the process of coming to an agreement, or a series of 

          Q    What are you calling it?  Is that the 10th round or the 
ninth round, part II?

          MR. SNYDER:  We're talking about the resumption of bilateral 
negotiations, Jim.  That's what we're saying is happening.  The talks 
are going to resume.

          Q    Still in the first round.

          MR. SNYDER:  Talks are going to resume.  We're not talking 
about rounds.

          Q    What they are saying is that from now on we're going to 
keep our own count.  (Laughter).

          MR. SNYDER:  Well, I'm sure you can -- if it doesn't go too 
much above 10.

          Q    Thank you.

          MR. SNYDER:  Thank you.

          (Press briefing concluded at 1:00 p.m.)

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