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US DEPARTMENT OF STATE DAILY PRESS BRIEFING #18: THURSDAY, 2/4/92 Source: State Department Spokesman Richard Boucher Description: Washington, DC Date: 02/04/92 Category: Briefings DEPARTMENT OF STATE DAILY PRESS BRIEFING THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 1993, 1:19 P. M. (ON THE RECORD UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED) DPC #18 MR. BOUCHER: Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry I'm starting late, but I think you'll understand that it would have been kind of silly for us to stand out here and talk about the Middle East in advance of the President's announcement that Secretary Christopher will be traveling there. Let me at the top of this, so that people can cut it off the transcripts and tapes, announce to you that for your information there will be a briefing ON BACKGROUND in this room at 3:00 o'clock this afternoon. Q Will he have a schedule at that time for the trip? MR. BOUCHER: I don't think we're going to be able to go into much detail for you on the schedule for the trip. I'll tell you what I can about it in a minute. I'd like to do one other announcement at the top, because we have good news from Belarus. The Supreme Soviet of Belarus today ratified the START Treaty and voted to adhere to the Non-Proliferation Treaty as a non- nuclear weapons state. The United States welcomes these actions which are another positive step in the growing relationship between our two countries, and we look forward to working with Belarus in implementing the START Agreement. That's my only statement, so I'll take your questions. Q Richard, you always expected Belarus would ratify the Treaty, so it doesn't come as any real surprise. The problem has always been Ukraine. Where does that stand? MR. BOUCHER: The situation remains about where it was with Ukraine. It's on the schedule for their Parliament. We keep getting the reassurances that they will take it up; and we do look forward to their prompt ratification -- the Ukraine's prompt ratification -- of both the START Treaty and the NPT. And I think just a week or so ago we said that we had expressed concern in the past about the delay in approving the two treaties, and we remain concerned about the continuing delays. We'd like to see them do it as soon as possible. Q What else can you add to what was said at the White House about the Secretary's trip? MR. BOUCHER: O.K. I think you've probably seen the basic statement about the purpose and that sort of thing, so let me concentrate a little bit on the details and tell you a little bit more about where we stand. At this point, as far as the details of which stops, which nights, we're still working the itinerary. We're in touch with the governments involved. We would expect to visit the major parties to the peace process. The dates for the Middle East look like between the 17th of February and the 24th. We'll have further information for you once the rest of the itinerary is set. He'll be meeting with the regional parties; I think I mentioned that. And that's about as much as I have for the moment on the itinerary. Q Does "regional parties" include regional parties in the Persian Gulf, for example? MR. BOUCHER: At this point, Ralph, I'm afraid I just can't be more specific. Q Is there more to the trip after the 24th? MR. BOUCHER: There will be some other stops that we're looking at, so we'll have those for you as soon as we can. Q You're talking about leaving the 16th or -- MR. BOUCHER: The 17th. Q He's leaving the 17th? MR. BOUCHER: Yes. Q And flying straight -- because you said the Middle East will be the 17th to the 24th. MR. BOUCHER: Oh. We're talking about leaving the 17th. Q And going straight to the Middle East? MR. BOUCHER: Yes. Q After the State of the Union? Q Before or after the State of the Union? MR. BOUCHER: I don't have that precise an itinerary. Q But straight to the Middle East, Richard, right? MR. BOUCHER: Yes. The Middle East portion will be first. Q And it ends on the 24th, after which the other phase of the trip will begin? MR. BOUCHER: That's right. That's the expectation at this point. We're still putting all the pieces into place. Q Could you say which continents the rest of this trip will be in? MR. BOUCHER: I don't want to, Sid. We'll get you the information as soon as we can. At this point I don't want to start dropping hints. Q Richard, can you say on the record, is it U.S. strategy to isolate Hamas, to in effect defy the PLO, the Palestinians, to come into the talks and disregard the Hamas situation? MR. BOUCHER: I don't think we've described things quite that way, Connie. Q Why not? MR. BOUCHER: We've said very clearly that we don't think that extremists -- groups like Hamas or Hizbollah or whoever else who's tried to reject the peace project and tried to block it with violence -- that they should be allowed to succeed. Certainly that's true. We also have said that we think there's a strong interest and importance to parties in the region of the peace process and of proceeding. Indeed, the Secretary has been in touch with the parties and with the co-sponsors in recent days. He's found that they reiterate their sustained commitment to the peace process. And it's on the basis of that that we're going to go out and we're going to, as the White House statement said, elicit their views, talk to them, get their views on the process and their views on how we can best help reinvigorate the process. That's the point where we are now. Q Was that what the Secretary was talking about when he said that in the next 24 to 48 hours we'd be seeing steps the U.S. would be taking? I mean, is this it, or are there other steps the U.S. is contemplating, regardless of whether or not you want to disclose them? Is this it? MR. BOUCHER: This is all I'm aware of, but I'll check. We'll have to see. Q Richard, when you say "reinvigorate the process," are you taking it for granted that there's going to be another round of peace talks or is the Secretary going out there to try to get another round of peace talks? Is his aim to -- is he going out there with dates or seeking to come back with dates for another round? MR. BOUCHER: Well, at this point on dates, we're in consultations with the co-sponsors about when to suggest dates for the next round, what dates to suggest. I think it is important that he goes there on the basis of this sustained commitment that we have from the parties for the process; and, as I said, he'll be going there to see what we can do to help reinvigorate the process, to hear from them, to talk to them, to see what we can do to help reinvigorate the process. And, as I think the White House statement said, there's an opportunity here to focus their energies on this. We've stressed its importance, [and are] going out there on the basis of contacts with the parties where they have the commitment to the process, and moving forward. Q Richard, on the consultation with the co-sponsors, is Europe gradually becoming another co-sponsor? MR. BOUCHER: The co-sponsors in this case are the U.S. and Russia. Q I know. But he's going to Europe right afterwards, and we -- MR. BOUCHER: I haven't said where he may be going after the Middle East -- Q All right. MR. BOUCHER: -- but we do have other things to talk to other people in the world about. Q Richard, is it still the case, as I think it was as recently as yesterday, that the U.S. expects to issue those invitations, I think you used the word "soon?" MR. BOUCHER: At this point, Ralph, I think I have to say that we're consulting with the co-sponsors on when to do that. Q O.K. So we're sort of back-tracking a bit. Along with the postponement of next week's multilateral talks, it would be fair to say that the U.S. doesn't -- is not confident of being able to issue invitations soon, and instead has announced a Secretary of State trip to the region. Is that -- MR. BOUCHER: I don't think that would be fair at all, Ralph. I would describe to you the situation the way I have. The Secretary -- Q Do you mean the way you have today as distinct from yesterday? MR. BOUCHER: Yes. The Secretary this morning said that he thought it was prudent to reschedule the multilateral talks. We think it made sense for him to go first and then have these other rounds of talks. He can go out there. He can have serious discussions with the parties -- parties who, once again I say, are in fact committed to the peace process and have told us that. And we can look to what we can do to move the talks forward when they do happen. Q Have the talks been rescheduled? I may have missed it. I'm sorry. MR. BOUCHER: They haven't been -- Q They were called off, essentially? MR. BOUCHER: They are being rescheduled. We haven't fixed the new dates yet, but they won't be held as first scheduled. Q Was it a U.S. initiative then to postpone the multilateral talks? Sorry. MR. BOUCHER: Wrong piece of paper. Q Whatever the word -- MR. BOUCHER: The word is "rescheduled." The "multis" are being rescheduled. The multilateral talks are being rescheduled. As I said, we've been in touch with the parties. We've been in touch with the co-sponsors. The Secretary said this morning he thought it was prudent to do that. We'll be talking to the co-sponsors; and obviously, when we go out there and talk to the parties on the basis of the desire to continue, we'll be seeing what we can do to help it continue. Q Can you tell us, Richard, whether it was a initiative to reschedule them, to postpone them? Is it a U.S. initiative -- MR. BOUCHER: I don't -- Q -- or is this because you were being told that nobody was coming or that some people weren't coming? MR. BOUCHER: It just makes sense. I mean, it makes sense. If we're going to go out and have these discussions with people and try to move this process forward, it makes sense to try to do it after we've had a chance to talk to them. Q Richard, what makes sense? MR. BOUCHER: To schedule these multilateral talks and bilateral talks after we've had a chance to go out and talk to the parties face to face. Q Did the parties want to come and the U.S. said, "It doesn't make sense until the Secretary goes out there"? MR. BOUCHER: I don't know, Mary. I don't know exactly the back and forth. Q Richard, have you heard anything from the parties about whether they're going to attend or not? MR. BOUCHER: Whether they're going to attend what? I mean -- Q The rescheduled talks. MR. BOUCHER: -- the rescheduled "multis"? Q Yes. MR. BOUCHER: As I just said -- I think I've said about 13 times -- the parties, in our contacts with them -- the Secretary has been in touch with them -- they've all expressed their sustained commitment to the peace process, as part of -- Q What about the rescheduled "bilats," or is that not rescheduled? MR. BOUCHER: We're in touch with the co-sponsor about when to suggest dates for the "bilats." Q O.K. And have you heard whether people are going to come to the suggested dates for the "bilats"? MR. BOUCHER: We haven't suggested dates for the "bilats" yet. Q But have they indicated whether they will come once you suggest those dates or not? MR. BOUCHER: Anna, I've just told you -- and I'm happy to take the occasion to tell you for the 13th time -- we've been in touch with the parties; the Secretary has talked to the parties; and they have reiterated their commitment, their sustained commitment, to this peace process. The peace process includes both the multilaterals and the bilaterals. Q O.K. MR. BOUCHER: And I would take it that when they reiterate their commitment to the peace process, that when we schedule these things and have a chance to discuss them with them, we will see people attending. Q O.K. Sorry it took me -- Q Do you know of plans by Hanan Ashrawi to visit Washington in the next few days, and are any meetings planned for her? MR. BOUCHER: I didn't know of those plans, so I haven't had a chance to check on meetings. Q Do you know of plans by the Israeli Foreign Minister, Mr. Peres, who's going to be in the United States I think starting on the 14th of the month, and are there any plans for him? MR. BOUCHER: I don't know of our plans for that either, but the gentleman that you might have a chance to talk to later this afternoon will be able to tell you. Q Richard, reiterating support for the peace process and agreeing to show up for talks I think are two separate things. Did the Syrians, Lebanese, Palestinians and Jordanians say they would not attend the multilateral peace talks until there was a "better solution" to the deportee question? MR. BOUCHER: Sid, if you want to ask them what they say, you can ask them. As I've said, we've been in touch with them. We've talked about all these issues -- Q Well, I had asked, and that's what they said. MR. BOUCHER: -- and they have sustained commitment. Q Did they say the same thing to you? MR. BOUCHER: I don't have that information for you, Sid. Q A few days ago -- I don't remember when it was -- you were speaking of the dates that had been scheduled for these multilateral talks next week. Did the U.S. receive any comments from participants in those talks about whether they would be attending, until the decision was made -- until the parties were informed yesterday that the Secretary would be visiting and that the U.S. thought it made sense not to have the talks? MR. BOUCHER: Ralph, that's similar to what Sid was asking me, sort of what have people told us. I think you're better off asking the others what their views are rather than asking me. Q Well, it's not asking so much what they've told you as it is trying to figure out what makes sense and who thinks it makes sense. We're trying to figure out whether the U.S. was told by the parties to the talks that it made sense to postpone them or whether the U.S. felt it made sense and told the parties "Look, let's not bother to have these talks which you all were planning to attend next week anyway because the Secretary's going to come out and visit"? MR. BOUCHER: Well, I don't know the precise back and forth. That might be something you could ask someone else. Q Richard, could I ask about the Hanan Ashrawi statement that the talks could not take place before April, which is quite in contrast to Peres who said they were indefinitely postponed. Do you have any comment on that? MR. BOUCHER: I've told you that the multilateral rounds that were scheduled for the coming weeks are going to be rescheduled. We're in touch with the co-sponsors over when to suggest dates for that and for the "bilats." We will be talking directly to the parties. We have their commitment to the process, and the Secretary will be hearing their views and will be talking to them about how to help reinvigorate the process. That's where we are. Q Richard, when the Secretary says it's prudent to reschedule, to put off the multilaterals for now, does that mean it's not a source of concern for the Administration that these multilaterals are not going to take place now? There's no concern over that? There's no sense of the possibility of a loss of momentum? MR. BOUCHER: I'll refer you back to what the Secretary said this morning. He said he was not discouraged. He was encouraged by the way things were going, by the fact that we had movement, by the fact that now I can say that he's going to be traveling out there and seeing these people face to face, by the fact that we have their commitment to continue the process, and we'll be doing what we can to help reinvigorate the process during the trip. Q Something else he said was that the process would be resuming at an early date. I think he actually said "a very early date" at one point. By that, does he mean the resumption of the process includes his going on the trip? He doesn't mean the talks will resume at an early date, or does he mean that? MR. BOUCHER: Ralph, I think I'll have to leave you where we are right now. The Secretary spoke this morning. I've told you that we don't have the dates for you yet, so in the end you can judge whether the dates are early or not by yourself. Q But we wouldn't even be able to judge whether a trip that starts on the 17th is a very early date or not. MR. BOUCHER: I think it's a pretty early date. Q Richard, has there been any contact between the Secretary and the former Secretary, who was so successful in his earlier Middle East -- MR. BOUCHER: Secretary Baker? Q Yes. MR. BOUCHER: I don't know. I just don't know. Q On the deportee issue again, does the Administration think there needs to be some rejiggering of the solution, the breakthrough that they've been touting for the last few days, or is he committed to that and only that? MR. BOUCHER: Sid, I think we've tried to describe this as a process that was announced by the Israelis. We think it's a process that can resolve the problem of the deportees, the problems faced by these people who are stuck out there; that it's a process that has not only the immediate return of a significant number of people but that it is a process of early return of all of them -- a return of all of them, at least, by the end of the year and a process of review. So that process we think is a good one. That's why we think there's no necessity for further U.N. Security Council action, for example. Q Do you mean to say that it's a negotiating process where this is the first offer and there may be some room for movement on either side? MR. BOUCHER: I meant to say that there's a process established to resolve the difficulties to return these people from whence they came, and that we think is a good one. Q Another subject? Q Can I just ask one more question? Have we been in touch with the Palestinians directly to find out their views on this process that you're talking about? MR. BOUCHER: We've been talking to the Palestinians, yes. Q And have you received any satisfaction that this is going to satisfy their doubts and fears about the deportees? MR. BOUCHER: I'm not going to try to characterize the individual responses or discussions that we've had with people. We've talked to Arab governments, we've talked to Security Council members, we've talked to other governments throughout the world; we talk through our embassies; we talked at the U.S. Mission in New York. We've had calls and contacts here in Washington. Generally, I would say what we said yesterday. We're finding in our exchanges that there's broad acknowledgment of the importance of avoiding counterproductive confrontation at the United Nations and on the need for the parties to advance their core national interests by making progress in the Middle East peace talks. Q At the United Nations, have you been successful yet in getting the proposers of a new resolution involving sanctions against Israel to withdraw or not go forward with that resolution? MR. BOUCHER: Well, what the intentions are of the various people that have been discussing resolutions, you can check with them. My understanding is that at this point no resolution has been tabled. We're not involved in any negotiations on the text of a resolution. The Security Council is meeting today, but we don't expect this issue to be discussed. Q Richard, on another subject, can we talk about Bosnia? MR. BOUCHER: Sure. Q On Bosnia, what is the Administration's position now on the Vance-Owen peace plan? Specifically, the Administration -- is it accurate to say that the Administration is neutral on the plan? And if it is neutral, is that the equivalent of not giving the support that Vance and Owen have asked for? MR. BOUCHER: Mary, a couple of things on this. First of all, the Secretary spoke this morning about the process of review that was underway. It's intensive; it's active; it's underway. The Secretary met with Vance and Owen on Monday up in New York. As he said, he asked questions about the practicality, the feasibility, and the enforceability of the plan. He has followed that up in other conversations with Vance that I mentioned yesterday. Monday, when he talked on the sidewalk -- I think outside our U.N. Mission -- he said that he was going to bring their views back and discuss them with his Cabinet colleagues, with the President. Indeed, he has done that. The review is underway. There have been meetings at the principals' levels that you know about. There will be further meetings. At this point no decisions have been made, but the process is underway and we're looking at this very carefully. Q Dee Dee Myers is quoted this morning at the White House as saying that the Administration, as part of its review, is looking at coming up with an alternative. The word "alternative" was her word. If the Administration is looking at coming up with an alternative, doesn't that mean that the Administration doesn't like the one that's there? MR. BOUCHER: As the Secretary has told you, we've asked some hard questions about practicality. I think he mentioned fairness this morning, enforceability, and things like that. This review is underway; and while it's underway, I think that's as far as I can go. Q Yesterday, Lee Hamilton basically came out in support of the Vance-Owen plan. In conducting this review, has the Secretary met with Mr. Hamilton to elicit his views on the Vance-Owen plan? MR. BOUCHER: I don't know. Q Are there any moves afoot to improve relations with Vietnam, given the report yesterday that President Clinton sent a letter, when he was President-elect in December, to the Vietnamese leader seeking improved relations? MR. BOUCHER: As far as that letter goes and the President Clinton angle on this, I think I'll have to refer you to the White House on that. As far as generally the relationship with Vietnam, I think Secretary Christopher described our approach during his confirmation hearings. Vietnam is meeting its commitments on Cambodia. As the Secretary said in his confirmation hearings, the problem remains whether or not we have obtained their full cooperation on the Prisoner of War and Missing in Action issue. We'll be considering, as part of our look at the situation, the extensive report that was prepared by Senator Kerry's committee, the Senate Select Committee on this subject. If it's possible to further advance the POW/MIA cooperation, we'll then seek to move ahead, hopefully more rapidly, as we get more cooperation. We recognize that we have economic interests and commercial reasons for considering further steps, and the normalization process is getting and will receive a serious look by the new Administration but at this point there's no timetable for specific steps. Q You said that Vietnam is meeting its commitments in Cambodia. Is it the Department's assessment that Vietnam is also meeting its commitments on the MIA negotiations? MR. BOUCHER: You know that they have done a lot recently. There has been a lot of progress in that area recently. And, indeed, there have been some steps also from the U.S. side. But as the Secretary said, the question remains whether we've received their full cooperation on that issue, and we'll be looking to see whether there's further progress, further cooperation that can be obtained on that issue. Q Richard, on Haiti -- Q No, no, no. Another one on Vietnam. You're raising the possibility of normalization of relations with Vietnam in advance of the fullest possible accounting on the part of the Vietnamese on the MIA/POW question. Is that -- MR. BOUCHER: No, I don't think so. Q I didn't hear you right? MR. BOUCHER: No. Secretary Christopher stated the problem remains whether or not we have obtained full cooperation on the POW/MIA issue. But then I said what we've said before: If it's possible to further the POW/MIA cooperation, we will then seek to move ahead, hopefully more rapidly. I didn't promise normalization at any given moment or timetable. Q Move ahead toward what? MR. BOUCHER: Move ahead in our relationship. Q In fact, Richard -- MR. BOUCHER: Obviously the whole process is called the normalization process. That's eventually where it leads. But how far we go at one particular period depends on the kind of cooperation we're getting. Q What you've just said, in fact, appears to make normalization contingent on further progress on the MIAs first. Would that be a correct reading? MR. BOUCHER: We've always said that the pace and scope of this process would be driven by the cooperation on POW/MIAs. Q But is the drive for more progress rather than the progress we've received up to this point? MR. BOUCHER: Martin, I don't know how many times I can say it. But the Secretary said the question remains whether or not we've received their full cooperation and whether there's further cooperation that we can get. We're looking at those issues, but I don't have any timetable at this point. Q Just one final point on this, Richard. It's then assuming if the Secretary believed we were already getting full cooperation, he would presumably have said so or you would have said so. The implication from what you are saying is that that option is still open, that we are not fully satisfied we are receiving full cooperation with them on the issue. MR. BOUCHER: As he said, the question is "whether or not." I didn't say "whether;" I didn't say "not." I won't say -- you saying we're not fully satisfied? The question is whether or not we're getting the full cooperation and whether there's more cooperation we can get. Q On Haiti, Richard, do you have anything to say about Mr. Caputo's success or lack thereof in going ahead with his mission in Haiti? Is he returning? Does the U.S. think his mission has been a success? What's the next step? MR. BOUCHER: I don't have anything new on it. I'll have to get you something later. Q Oh, bummer. Please take the question. MR. BOUCHER: We'll take the question. Q Do you have any reaction to Belarus' ratification of START and Ukraine's -- Q He announced that. Q Oh. Sorry. MR. BOUCHER: Gotcha! Q I'm going to crawl under the table. (Laughter) Q Anything today on the violence in Johannesburg, or on the proposed Bill of Rights? MR. BOUCHER: No, I don't have anything new on that. On the proposed Bill of Rights, obviously we think the Bill of Rights is a good idea. We also think it's something that should be arrived at by consensus and discussion among the parties. Q Anything new on Angola? MR. BOUCHER: No. Q No? There are reports about starvation. Q To return to Haiti for a second. There's been reports that the government of Marc Bazin has basically said that they would not allow the monitors in the country unless there was a lifting of the embargo. What's your reaction to that? MR. BOUCHER: I don't know, Steve. I'll have to try to include that in the answer we give for you later on where we stand on Caputo's efforts and the deployment of the monitors. Q I'd just say, if you're going to be very specific about what you come back with, there are reports that people -- Haitians -- who are assisting journalists in covering Caputo's visit have been harassed and threatened by the government. There are reports that Caputo has not been permitted to go where he wants to -- to a certain hotel at a certain time, and so on. There are reports that the government is impeding his movements around the area, and so on. If you'd just take that all under consideration -- MR. BOUCHER: I'll see what we can get on his efforts and address as many of the specifics as we can. Q Is there anything new on Zaire? MR. BOUCHER: On Zaire, Hank Cohen, as I think you know, has been out in Brussels. He's had some meetings with his French and Belgian counterparts in order to identify new ways to encourage Mobutu to cooperate in a peaceful transition to democracy. The U.S. and Belgian Ambassadors and the French Charge d'Affaires delivered a formal note for Mobutu to the Deputy Director of the Presidential Office in Kinshasa yesterday afternoon. This demarche emphasized that recent events demonstrate that Mobutu should transfer authority to the transition government if Zaire is to avoid further chaos and suffering. Q Has there been an answer from Mobutu? MR. BOUCHER: Not that I know of at this point. Q Is that the same statement that was issued in Brussels yesterday? MR. BOUCHER: I think the Belgians released a copy of the note, yes. Q Anything further on U.S. contacts with the Russians -- Kozyrev -- either on the Middle East or on the Bosnia issue? Anything you can say about their -- MR. BOUCHER: Nothing new at this point. Q Richard, is the U.S. aware of a freelance American journalist named John Walker going missing in Bosnia? MR. BOUCHER: I have to check on that, John. I hadn't heard about it, but I'll check on it. Q Richard, speaking of aid to Russia, could you give me a definition of precisely what Strobe Talbott's job and responsibilities will be? MR. BOUCHER: He has been announced as Ambassador-at-Large and Coordinator -- I think I got it right -- Special Advisor or Coordinator for the New Independent States. His job will be to look at policy for that whole region, to look at our assistance efforts and all the other policy issues, and to help coordinate them and move them forward. Q Will the Ambassador to Moscow report directly to him or to the Secretary? MR. BOUCHER: Ambassadors report back to Washington through the Assistant Secretaries and to the Secretary. They all report to the Secretary, in the end. As a practical matter, there will be a lot of consumers for the reporting of the Ambassador to Moscow. Q Richard, is Talbott going to function as sort of a regional Assistant Secretary for the former Soviet Union, separate from the European Bureau? Or is he under the European Bureau? MR. BOUCHER: There will be -- an Assistant Secretary, as you know, has been nominated for the European Bureau, and they will work in coordination. Q So the former Soviet Union and the resulting Republics are not being broken out of Europe? MR. BOUCHER: It's not being broken out to make a new bureau. But obviously someone will pay a lot of time and a lot of attention to that area. Q Richard, since a lot of different Federal agencies have programs of technical assistance to the Soviet Union, will these now have to be cleared through Mr. Talbott's office? MR. BOUCHER: I don't know how precisely I can get on exact clearances, but he will be expected to coordinate our overall policy towards those countries. Q Do you have anything on the AID Administrator? MR. BOUCHER: No. That wouldn't come from me anyway. Q Thank you. MR. BOUCHER: Thank you. (Press briefing concluded at 1:47 p.m.) (###)