US Department of State Daily Press Briefing #170, Monday, 11/18/91

Boucher Source: State Department Deputy Spokesman Richard Boucher Description: 12:45 PM, Washington, DC Date: Nov 18, 199111/18/91 Category: Briefings Region: MidEast/North Africa, Caribbean, Central America, Southeast Asia, E/C Europe Country: Haiti, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, China, El Salvador, USSR (former), Kazakhstan, Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia Subject: Terrorism, Trade/Economics, Development/Relief Aid, Military Affairs, EC, POW/MIA Issues, Refugees, Democratization, Science/Technology (ON THE RECORD UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED) MR. BOUCHER: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I hadn't prepared any statements or announcements for you. But if George wants to ask the question, I'll give you the answer. Q There are reports that you're going to return some of the Haitian refugees back to Haiti? MR. BOUCHER: Well, that was a different question, George, but I'll answer that one. The situation with the Haitian refugees is as follows: 483 Haitians remain at the Guantanamo Naval Base receiving temporary humanitarian assistance. Some 1,300 now are on Coast Guard vessels at sea. We, the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees and the International Organization for Migration continue to work urgently to find a solution to the problem. Demarches are being made to find temporary safehaven in third countries in the region to see if we can work that out. To date, Venezuela, Belize, Honduras and Trinidad and Tobago have offered to assist. INS officers on board the Coast Guard ships continue to conduct detailed interviews with the Haitians, with a view to identifying those who have a plausible claim for asylum. Those who do qualify will be admitted to the United States where they will be able to pursue application for asylum. Forty-nine of those found to qualify -- that is, 37 from Guantanamo Bay and 12 from one of the Coast Guard cutters -- are being flown from Guantanamo Bay to Miami today where they will be received by the INS. Q The 49 have been received -- MR. BOUCHER: Forty-nine of those found to qualify -- that is, qualified to have a plausible claim for asylum. I think the final determination is made once they arrive in the United States. They have to be admitted to the United States and they pursue an application for asylum. We found 49 people who we think have a plausible claim, and they're going to be flown from Guantanamo to Miami today. Q Is there an underlying assumption, though, that Haitians who come to the United States are economic refugees? MR. BOUCHER: The underlying assumption, Barry, is that for people to get asylum they have to meet the international standard -- the well-founded fear of persecution that we've talked about before. Those who do not meet that standard do not qualify for asylum. But each of these cases is done on a case by case basis, and that's why I've tried to stress that the INS is conducting detailed interviews with each of the people involved to see who has a plausible claim to asylum. Q Richard, you issued an urgent appeal Friday night, I believe it was, broadcast on VOA, to Haitians not to flee their country. Have you noticed that the flood of refugees -- the flood has lessened since the appeal or not? MR. BOUCHER: I think you can see from the numbers that whatever effect that statement might have had, it hasn't been seen yet. I'll put it that way. Q I've got two questions. One, how long can they be kept on the ships without either logistical problems or welfare/human rights kinds of problems? Do you have a timetable of how quickly -- MR. BOUCHER: There's no specific deadline on that. Obviously, the Coast Guard can't offer its hospitality forever. Q Are you talking about days and weeks? MR. BOUCHER: I don't have any timetable for that. We're trying to address this as an urgent question. The numbers are going up. We're trying to find solutions with countries in the region. We'll have to see what can be worked out. We haven't reached any final arrangements yet. Last week the Coast Guard did move some people from the ships into the base at Guantanamo Bay in order to give them the kind of assistance and care that they needed. Q Can I have an answer to my second question, which is, what conditions is the U.S. willing to accept or offer in hopes of getting these refugees placed in other countries? What sort of financial obligation is the U.S. undertaking; what sort of other obligations? MR. BOUCHER: Terry, I don't think it's a matter of that. This is a regional problem. We're talking to countries in the region to recognize that fact and to see if we can't work out some arrangements to take care of these people. Q Are you making financial commitments? MR. BOUCHER: There is financing available, I think, through the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, the International Organization for Migration -- these kinds of organizations -- and, I guess, the countries of the region to take care of these people. Rick. Q On Haiti, two questions: One, 49 have been given tentative approval. MR. BOUCHER: And are being flown -- Q How many have been rejected of those numbers? MR. BOUCHER: I don't have the final numbers on that. They've been conducting the interviews both at Guantanamo and aboard at least one of the ships -- so that's a fairly substantial portion of the ones that we know are out there. But I don't have a percentage figure -- Q So only a small number of those 483 and 1,300 have been turned down so far? MR. BOUCHER: No. I'd say only this number, 49, have been found so far to have a plausible claim to asylum. Q What happens to those who are turned down? MR. BOUCHER: That's the big answer. At this point, we haven't worked out arrangements with the countries of the region to find a solution to this. That's what we continue to work on. Q That number in Guantanamo, about 500, has been stable now for several days. Have you interviewed all those people in Guantanamo yet? MR. BOUCHER: I don't know for sure. I think that's something that -- well, I think that's something that one of us should check with INS on. I'll try to do that for you. Q Richard, the original question, I thought, was, is there a possibility that some of these refugees will, in fact, be returned to Haiti? Is that still a possibility? MR. BOUCHER: That was the original question. I'm afraid my answer to that is that we're working on finding a regional solution to the problem. We don't have that answer for you at this point. I can't say yes or no at this point. Q So you're working to find a solution that would not involve taking them back to Haiti, or it might include that? MR. BOUCHER: We're working to find a solution, period. I don't have any arrangements worked out for you at this point. Q Can you tell us what's happening diplomatically with respect to contacts between Aristide's people and the Haitian parliamentarians? MR. BOUCHER: I think you saw the statement that was issued last week when the OAS mission visited. They said that meetings would take place outside the country. We understand from the OAS that President Aristide will meet with Haitian legislators toward the end of this week outside the country. I don't have a location for you yet. It will be up to the OAS to release more details on this meeting as they are available. Q Richard, can we ask about the hostage situation? MR. BOUCHER: Sure. Q Is there any analysis within the State Department as to why hostages are trickling out this way? Are countries being more helpful? Is there some new spirit of moderation among groups that weren't so moderate before? What do you attribute all this to? MR. BOUCHER: Let me answer you first as to what we understand the situation to be with Terry Waite and Tom Sutherland. Just moments before I came in here, we got word from our Embassy in Damascus that they had heard from the Syrians who said that Terry Waite and Tom Sutherland had been released, were in Syrian hands and were on their way to Damascus. I have to caution you once more that we have not yet seen them, and we don't want to raise hopes. But that is the reporting as of this moment, and we hope, certainly, that we will see them in Damascus shortly. We're pleased with the news of the release of two hostages. At the same time, we would like to repeat our call for the immediate, safe and unconditional release of the hostages and a full accounting for all those who may have died in captivity, including the return of the remains. There are three other Americans -- Terry Anderson, Alann Steen and Joseph Cicippio, and two other Germans, who are still being held. And, of course, they remain in our thoughts. As far as how this came about, I guess it's not terribly incisive, but the clearest explanation would be the work of the U.N. Secretary General and his staff that has brought us to this juncture. We've always supported those efforts and will continue to support them. Q Do you think it's totally coincidental that only a couple of days after you issued indictments, which basically cleared Syria and Iran of involvement in Pan Am 103, that this should have happened? MR. BOUCHER: (A) Alan, I reject your characterization of what we said about Syria and Iran and invite you to look at the material that we provided. But, second of all, we don't see any connection. Q Let me ask you the opposite sort of question. Almost always when hostages are released, there's some expression of gratitude from the podium, usually to Syria. I think once even to Iran, maybe twice. Is there anybody who ought to take a bow now that two guys have been set free after so many, many months of awful experiences? MR. BOUCHER: We would thank the United Nations, the Syrians, the Lebanese, the Iranians and all those who had anything to do with facilitating the release. Q All the people you mentioned -- all the parties you mentioned had something to do with facilitating the release? MR. BOUCHER: Again, we don't have the -- we haven't seen the people, and we don't know exactly what roles are played by different people. These are the people that appear to have had a role. Q Richard, on Thursday, just coming back to my previous comments, the President said, "Syria's got a bum rap on this," referring to Pan Am 103. Are you differing with the President? MR. BOUCHER: Alan, I'm not differing with the President. I'm drawing your attention to that statement, along with the other statements we made. I don't think we said they've been -- Q Well, did Syria get a bum rap? MR. BOUCHER: Anyway, I'll go back to what we said before, Alan. We said that the evidence does not lead to Syria in this case. Q Richard, is there any indication that the remaining three Americans may be near release any time soon? MR. BOUCHER: I don't have any specific indications of that, Pat. We're always hopeful, and we've continued to support the efforts of the U.N. Secretary General. Q Richard, the question regarding Syria and the Pan Am 103, is Syria off the hook completely? You're not making further investigation -- the question was raised in the Senate about this. MR. BOUCHER: Joe, Alan and I just had a short dialogue on that, which maybe I shouldn't have started. But at the same time, we put out some fairly extensive materials, both in my briefing last Friday and in a piece of paper that we put out -- I'm sorry -- my briefing last Thursday and a piece of paper we put out on Friday that went into more detail about the evidence and where it led. Q But I'm not asking you that. I'm asking whether Syria is no longer under any investigation in connection with 103? MR. BOUCHER: Joe, again, I'm not going to change what we said last week about this. I didn't really intend to get into this. Q We get the impression from what you just said, Richard, that the case is not yet fully closed? MR. BOUCHER: I think you should get the indication from what the Justice Department and I both said on Thursday, and that's the investigation remains open, and should there be further evidence, we'll pursue it wherever it leads. Q Do you see any evidence of any connection or link between the Middle East peace process, on the one hand, and an apparent momentum -- although a bleak one still -- toward peace in the Middle East and the release of hostages? MR. BOUCHER: Frank, I just don't think I'm in a position to do that broad an analysis for you at this point. The specific instance appears to have been due to the efforts of the U.N. Secretary General and his representative, as well as to the others I mentioned who have helped in this particular release. It's a process that's been going on. The Secretary General and his representatives' efforts have been continuing. We've supported those efforts. I don't have broader conclusions at this point. Q Can you tell me if there's been any follow-up to those indictments -- any follow-up in U.S. action to bring to justice those people who are involved? MR. BOUCHER: There's nothing new to report today, Saul. We've continued our consultations and discussions with other governments. Q Well, I noticed that the British through the Italians have -- or directly have asked for extradition. Have we asked for extradition through anybody? MR. BOUCHER: I think I mentioned last week that we don't have an extradition treaty; that we would convey the indictments at some point -- Q --Do the British have an extradition treaty? MR. BOUCHER: I don't believe we've done that yet. That's something you'll have to check with the British. Q Well, they have asked -- in response to the Libyan statement that they want to see this tried in some international court of justice -- the British have asked that these people be given up. Have we done anything at all? MR. BOUCHER: As far as I know, we've not yet communicated with the Libyans. Q Why have we taken so long in saying something to the Libyans or to the rest of the world about now what we want to do? MR. BOUCHER: Saul, we said to the whole world last week what the situation was, what the evidence and the information was. We've said that we would be consulting and discussing with other governments about an international response. We are doing that. We are continuing those contacts, and I'm sure that when we have something to announce, we'll announce it for you. Q Can you tell me anything about the contacts that are going on? MR. BOUCHER: No, not at this point. Just that they are going on, and they continue. Q Richard, there's apparently been a death in the Sutherland family, and Sutherland's wife would like him to get back home, according to a radio report, for a funeral on Thursday, and that would require expedited procedures on the part of the State Department. Do you have anything on that? Is there any chance that he would indeed be gotten home to the U.S. quicker than is normally the situation? MR. BOUCHER: I think it's a little premature to address his travel schedule. Let's wait for him to actually show up in Damascus. We're, obviously, prepared to assist any American hostage that gets released. We sent a team last night to Wiesbaden -- our hostage reception team -- and we also have U.S. military aircraft pre-positioned in the region to transport any freed American hostage to Germany. So we're set up, we're ready to go, but let's wait for his arrival. Q When did your hostage welcoming team go to Wiesbaden? MR. BOUCHER: Last night. They arrived, I think, this morning. Q Richard, are you with -- are the State Department hostage liaison people with Mrs. Sutherland now, arranging her travel or anything? MR. BOUCHER: We've been in touch with her over the past several days, and I think she got this news before I told you here. So we've been in close touch with her and trying to help her with her travel. Q Richard, is there any news on where the bilaterals will be held or when? MR. BOUCHER: Nothing new at this point. Q Nothing on the regionals either, I suppose. MR. BOUCHER: No. Q Richard, if not today, maybe later, is it possible to get some specifics on the various parties that the State Department is publicly thanking for assisting in the hostage release? I mean, any idea of what they did particularly? I mean, it may just be transportation -- MR. BOUCHER: Barry, I'm not sure we'll be in a position to do that for you. I'll see if it is possible, but at this point I'm not sure we can. Q Richard, do you have anything on this American who's missing in Kuwait? MR. BOUCHER: Our Embassy in Kuwait has reported that an American was missing. We don't have a Privacy Act waiver. There are press reports that say that he's been released to -- I think it was to the ICRC in Baghdad, but we don't have confirmation on that yet. Q Any reaction to Congressman Moakley's statement regarding the Jesuit killings? MR. BOUCHER: On September 29, a Salvadoran court convicted an army colonel and a lieutenant for their roles in the Jesuit murders. There have been many allegations about others who might have been involved in this crime. What is needed is evidence that can be used in the Salvadoran courts. The Congressman's report contains charges but no direct evidence. We urge him or anyone else who may have evidence related to this crime to present it to the Salvadoran judicial authorities. Q Richard, now that the Secretary's back from China, could you give us an idea of what he will be doing now on the China human rights situation? In other words, you know, the sentiment on Capitol Hill was strongly against China to begin with. Does he plan to go up there? Will he be seeing the President -- you know. I think maybe you have a campaign ahead of you to save MFN for China, if that's what you'd like to do. MR. BOUCHER: Barry, the Secretary gave a press conference in Beijing. He laid out the areas where we've seen some progress. He laid out the fact that we would have hoped to see more in the area of human rights, and he described, I think, himself, some detailed talks in depth and at length on a full range of issues -- human rights, arms sales, proliferation and trade. He described, himself, the kind of follow-up that we expected to have, so that's about where I'd leave it. Q He didn't say anything about going to the Hill, and so on? MR. BOUCHER: No, not about going to the Hill. I don't have anything particular on that at this point. Q Nor seeing the President in particular? I know they spoke by phone yesterday but -- MR. BOUCHER: Again, I'm sure they'll be discussing the situation with each other, but I don't have anything specific for you. Q Do you have anything else about the American that was allegedly taken from Vietnam into the Soviet Union? MR. BOUCHER: The update today is that our Embassy has been looking into the situation in Moscow. Two Embassy officers intend to leave this evening from Moscow, Moscow time, to go out to Kazakhstan, and we'll see what they can find out there. Q Do you know where they're going in Kazakhstan? MR. BOUCHER: Initially to Alma Ata, and then I think to the areas that were reported, if they can get permission to go there. Q Richard, there's an article in the Washington Post today that says the Bush Administration has suppressed intelligence information about China's transfer of nuclear technology to Iran and a possible violation of the treaty against biological weapons. Does the State Department have any comment on this? MR. BOUCHER: Possible transfers of nuclear materials to Iran, we've spoken out both in the context of China -- reports about China and reports about India -- and I think we've made clear that we'd raised our concerns about Iran's commitment to its non-proliferation obligations with any potential nuclear suppliers, including India and China. As far as the question of biological weapons, the Pell Report on Arms Control Compliance that was mentioned in the article, has been transmitted to the Congress by the President. It's a classified report, so I'm not going to be in a position to go into the details of it. We would note that China is a party to the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention. We expect China to fulfill completely its obligations under that treaty. Where we have evidence of non-compliance, we will not hesitate to make clear the seriousness with which we view non-proliferation objectives, as we have done in the past. Q Richard, was the -- if it's in the statements from the Secretary's party, I haven't read them -- was the Secretary aware of the detention of two more dissidents while he was asking for release of others? MR. BOUCHER: He was made aware of that, and in fact our Ambassador has been following up at his direction, so I can give you the update. Our Ambassador has been in touch with the Chinese Foreign Ministry. He was advised that Dai Qing has not been arrested and is free. The Foreign Ministry, I believe, has stated this publicly. We have not, however, been able to speak to Dai Qing directly to confirm that statement. Our Embassy in Beijing is continuing efforts to verify her whereabouts and status. Ms. Dai has been accepted in the Niemann Fellowship Program at Harvard, but had been denied an exit permit. We assume that she would qualify for such a permit based on what the PRC Foreign Minister Qian told Secretary Baker -- that is, that we were assured that any person against whom no criminal proceedings are pending will be allowed to travel abroad after completing the usual formality. As for Hou Xiaotian, our Embassy has confirmed that Hou Xiaotian was detained and has now been released. Q Can we just go back to this Soviet -- the hunt in Kazakhstan for the American? You said if they can get permission to go there. Who do they have to ask permission from now? I mean if it's a closed Soviet military area, does the permission come from Kazakhstan? Does it come from Moscow? Who's running it? MR. BOUCHER: I really don't know, Jan. I think that's something that our Embassy will have to work out, either in Moscow or in the region. Q And they're going to go whether they've got permission or not? MR. BOUCHER: Well, they're going to go to Alma Ata tonight. Q Richard, you had said last week that the Embassy officials would not go if there weren't enough information to indicate that they should go. So, has something happened? MR. BOUCHER: Betsy, I don't think I quite said that. I think I said that our Embassy wanted to develop more information in Moscow before they went. And so they've explored it in Moscow and now they're going out to see what more information they can develop in Kazakhstan. Q Richard, anything new on the sale of 72 F-l5s to Saudi Arabia? MR. BOUCHER: No. Q Anything on the Patriots? MR. BOUCHER: I can get you something later on the Patriots. Q All right. Is there any preparation being made for an embassy here for Ukraine? MR. BOUCHER: Not that I'm aware of at this point. Our policy on recognition of republics was stated again last week, I think by myself. Q Richard, do you have -- sorry. MR. BOUCHER: Hold it. We had somebody over here now. Q Do you have anything on the visit by American officials to East Timor? MR. BOUCHER: We had two U.S. Government officials who visited Dili in East Timor from November l5 to l7. They met with the Governor, Bishop Belo, the local military commander, and a variety of other Timorese journalists and residents of Dili. We just received their report this morning. We're still studying it. The Indonesian Government on November l7 announced the formation of an interagency investigatory commission under the leadership of a supreme court justice to look into the November l2th shootings in East Timor. We understand this commission will include members of the Ministries of Justice, Foreign Affairs and Home Affairs, as well as members of parliament and the military. As we did last week, we will continue to express our concern to the Indonesians that this investigation be complete and credible and that it lead to appropriate disciplining of those that are shown to have used excessive force. Q You have no detail that you can release on the findings now? MR. BOUCHER: No, not at this point. Q Do you expect to release them soon? MR. BOUCHER: I'll see what we can get for you tomorrow, once we've had a chance to study our Embassy's report. Q Thank you. Q Richard, Yugoslavia -- fall of Vukovar. Suppose you have a boilerplate reaction and then afterwards, maybe we can pursue it. MR. BOUCHER: It's not a very good invitation, Alan (laughter), but I'll play anyway. Following the latest cease-fire on Saturday, Yugoslav and Serbian armed forces continued their attacks in several locations. They appear to have taken Vukovar in eastern Croatia, as well as another town south of Zagreb. Fighting has also continued in western Slavonia. There has, however, been a reduction in fighting in most other areas of Croatia following the cease-fire. These continuing attacks against civilian urban centers are reprehensible. We reiterate that the use of force or violence to settle political disputes, or to change internal or external borders, is unacceptable. We understand that Mr. Vance and EC representatives plan to travel to Vukovar later today to assess the situation. Q Has there been any progress at the U.N. in getting an oil embargo or some such action? What's the United States' position on that? Do you favor it? MR. BOUCHER: Our position is the one that was stated by the President in The Hague and that is we strongly support and will co-sponsor resolutions in the United Nations on Yugoslavia, including a possible oil embargo. Consultations are continuing on a possible Security Council resolution on Yugoslavia. At this point, I'm not able to go into the possible content of that. Q Well, given that people are dying every day and The Hague is already behind us by l0 days, surely this is something that is somewhat urgent. And how do you account for the length of time that is being taken to get a resolution together? MR. BOUCHER: As I said, there are consultations that are going on. We strongly supported the EC's efforts. They have the unanimous support of all CSCE members. We supported the efforts of Mr. Vance on behalf of the Secretary General. These are efforts that are made to achieve a cease-fire, achieve a peace, find a just and lasting settlement; and that's something we wholeheartedly support. We've been consulting with other governments about possible U.N. resolutions, and that's a process that continues as well. Q Richard, is the United States planning to recognize, to offer formal diplomatic recognition to Slovenia and Croatia this fall? MR. BOUCHER: Again, our position on that would be the one stated in the NATO statement, and I'll just leave it at that. Q Nothing has changed? MR. BOUCHER: Nothing has changed since then. Q Are we consulting with the Soviet Union about the situation in Yugoslavia? Where is the Soviet Union's position on this anyway? MR. BOUCHER: You'll have to ask them. We have been in touch with the Soviets all along. I believe you've seen statements that we've issued together, and we've been consulting throughout with them. Q Is the Soviet Union on the side of the United States on this? MR. BOUCHER: You'll have to ask them. Q Richard, speaking of the Soviet Union, Boris Yeltsin this weekend issued some new proclamations that seemed to take control of the ruble and other matters, such as it is. Do you have any general -- as Alan called it -- boilerplate reaction to what's going on? Are you worried about it? MR. BOUCHER: I'm not going to stand up here and be insulted time after time, Johanna. (Laughter) Q All right. Do you have any brilliant analyses? MR. BOUCHER: No, I don't have that either. (Laughter) We're still studying Yeltsin's economic decrees. We prefer not to try to offer any detailed comment at this time. It's not clear how these policies will affect the economic community that is being established. You've seen some steps along those lines in the past month or so. The G-7 Finance Deputies are meeting in Moscow today to discuss Soviet external payments difficulties. The U.S. is represented there by Treasury Under Secretary David Mulford. Q Richard, also on the Soviet Union, what is our understanding about the Soviet gold reserves? There seems to be a mystery surrounding the Soviet gold reserves -- that they have disappeared. (Laughter) MR. BOUCHER: I'll have to check on that, Frank. I hadn't seen those reports. Q Richard, a related question to the one before that on Soviet oil exports. There seems to be a move by the Soviets to stop oil exports, and the market has reacted to that. MR. BOUCHER: Chris, I think you're really dealing with something that's in these decrees. At least, it's been reported to be part of these decrees. I'm not in a position to do much of an analysis. Q How about a little general thing, like what would you think about it if the Soviets stopped exporting oil? MR. BOUCHER: I think I'd have to look at it carefully before I said anything. Q It wouldn't be bad? Q How about this? Are you worried about the trend of events in the Soviet Union? MR. BOUCHER: Johanna, I'll try not to offer any new characterizations today of that . Q Richard, is the Secretary of State planning or thinking or considering a trip to the Soviet Union? MR. BOUCHER: We have nothing for you here to announce, Alan. I hadn't heard any discussion of that. Q You haven't heard a discussion of that? MR. BOUCHER: But then I haven't talked to him since he's been back. Q That's why you didn't hear anything from him. (Laughter) MR. BOUCHER: I have to take the usual -- Q Is that your conclusion? MR. BOUCHER: I don't want to lead you to any false conclusions at this point, but since I had not had an opportunity to ask him the question, I can't give you a definitive response. Q He's back for l2 hours. I mean, come on. It's time to get on the plane again, isn't it? (Laughter) Rick? Q For several weeks now there have been reports that the Administration was about to unveil a comprehensive package of assistance to the Soviet Union -- humanitarian aid, loans, credits, technical assistance. Do you have any idea of when that comprehensive package will be announced, and will that be from the White House or will it be from here? MR. BOUCHER: This is one that I am leaving to the White House, and I believe Marlin was asked about it this morning and said not yet. Q Not yet? MR. BOUCHER: He doesn't have any announcements yet. Q Thank you. MR. BOUCHER: I guess we've got one more from the back. Q One more, please. Do you have a schedule of the U.S.-Vietnamese dialogue on diplomatic relations presumably in New York? Who are representing both countries? MR. BOUCHER: O.K. I do have the answer for you on that. Let me get it for you. As you know, on October 23rd, after meeting with the Vietnamese Foreign Minister in Paris, the Secretary announced that we had proposed to begin talks with Vietnam in New York this month concerning the issues and modalities associated with normalization. The first meeting in follow-up to that announcement will take place in New York on November 2lst. Assistant Secretary Solomon will lead the U.S. side. We understand that Vice Foreign Minister Le Mai will head the Vietnamese delegation. As the Secretary stated in Paris, we intend to proceed step by step with Vietnam as the Cambodia settlement process unfolds. The pace and scope of normalization will be directly influenced by Vietnam's cooperation on the POW/MIA and other humanitarian issues. We reaffirm this position in all discussions with Vietnamese officials. This particular meeting will be the first in what we anticipate will be a series of discussions with Vietnam on both general and technical issues associated with normalization. Q Just one more: Do you have anything to say about Prince Sihanouk's statement that he supports bringing to trial Khmer Rouge officials involved in the genocide in the l970s? MR. BOUCHER: I'll remind you of what Secretary Baker said at the Paris conference in his intervention there. He said the U.S. "will support efforts to bring to justice those responsible for the mass murders of the l970s, if the new Cambodian Government chooses to pursue this path." Q Thank you. (The briefing concluded at l:l8 p.m.)