US Department of State Daily Press Briefing #150, Monday, 10/7/91

Boucher Source: State Department Deputy Spokesman Richard Boucher Description: 12:54 PM, Washington, DC Date: Oct 7, 199110/7/91 Category: Briefings Region: MidEast/North Africa, E/C Europe, Caribbean, Europe Country: Iraq, Yugoslavia (former), Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia-Montenegro, Israel, USSR (former), Haiti, Greece, Turkey, Lebanon, Iran Subject: Mideast Peace Process, Regional/Civil Unrest, OAS, Terrorism, Trade/Economics, Human Rights, NATO (ON THE RECORD UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED) MR. BOUCHER: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I don't have any formal announcements or statements for you. If you like, I can update you on the situation in Haiti. Haiti remains tense and unsettled. Soldiers are patrolling the streets, but there are still no signs of central government authority. Scattered gunfire continues. The airport is open, but many essential service employees have not returned to work. There are no decisions at this time to evacuate or draw down U.S. personnel in Haiti. Our Embassy, unfortunately, has confirmed that on the night of October 3rd, an American was shot by men trying to enter his place of business in Port-au-Prince. He died on the morning of October 4th. We've contacted the family to offer assistance. As far as the OAS meetings go, the OAS Foreign Ministers held extensive meetings with representatives of many sectors of Haitian society during the course of the weekend. The Ministers returned at l a.m. on Sunday morning to hold consultations at the OAS and to meet with President Aristide yesterday in Washington. They returned to Haiti this morning for more meetings there. The situation in Haiti, as I said, remains volatile. However, the Foreign Ministers urged all sides to support a solution that would contribute to constitutional democracy arrived at and approved by all sectors of Haitian society through a national dialogue. The OAS meeting of Foreign Ministers is scheduled to reconvene at l0 a.m. on Tuesday to receive the report of the eight-country mission and the Secretary General and to consider further measures to restore democracy to Haiti. Q Richard, is it still the United States Government's position to insist on the return of the President of Haiti or just the restoration of constitutional order, not necessarily in the person of the president -- the deposed president? MR. BOUCHER: Frank, the U.S. position remains what it was. The OAS resolution is clear. It deals with the whole process of restoration of constitutional order. Q Richard, are Americans who want to get out of Haiti able to get out? MR. BOUCHER: At this point -- I think I reported to you somewhat on the airport -- there's not much in the way of flights, but there are some. And I think I've got this somewhere if I can find it. Only chartered airplanes have flown in or out of the airport at Port-au-Prince this weekend. Some Americans reportedly departed on those flights. I don't have a number on that. I'm told it's between a handful and a couple dozen. We understand that commercial planes may resume flights into Haiti this week. And I understand, in fact, there was a Dutch Antilles commercial plane that has landed this morning in Port-au-Prince. At this time, that's the only means of getting out of the country that we know of. Q Richard, the first item in the OAS resolution is that Aristide should be returned to power. MR. BOUCHER: Tom, that's the mandate that the team has that's down there -- is to restore constitutional government. Of course, Aristide is the constitutionally and democratically-elected leader there. So that's the mandate that they have and they're working on down there. Q I mean, Frank asked you a specific question. If I were Aristide and I had read your answer, I'd be a little chilled right now that the Administration was putting just a little daylight between me personally and the restoration of constitutional democracy. MR. BOUCHER: It's part and parcel of the same thing, Tom. The OAS delegation is down there. They're working on all these issues now, and they have a mandate from the OAS. That's what they're working on. Q But just as sort of a simple, you know, declarative sentence, is it United States Government policy that there is no restitution of democratic, constitutional government in Haiti until and unless Aristide is returned to power? MR. BOUCHER: Your phrasing is interesting, Tom, but I have to stick, I think, with the way the OAS resolution expressed it; and I'll just stick with that. Q Can I try this another way? You mentioned that this should be achieved through national dialogue. Isn't the election of last year, in which Aristide was elected, constitute national dialogue? What is it that you're calling for here? MR. BOUCHER: Again, I don't want to try to prejudice some of these issues in terms of the OAS delegation being down there, working on this. As you know, the OAS delegation has met with people from all sectors of the society down there. Haiti had a democratic election and we respect the results of that election. The OAS is now going to work out a means, we hope, to return Haiti to its constitutional order. Q Richard -- let me try -- Q Richard, there are reports that President Aristide ignored laws, ignored aspects of the constitution, encouraged mob violence, that sort of thing. Is there any truth to any of those reports? MR. BOUCHER: The people of Haiti, many Haitians, have expressed concerns about the human rights situation down there. We have raised these concerns privately in several conversations with President Aristide. Remember, the Secretary in his OAS intervention, stated very forcefully that violence by any party cannot be part of the solution to this problem. The President mentioned last Friday that he had discussed human rights with President Aristide; and, in fact, President Aristide at that meeting, and then in a statement at the OAS on Sunday, repeated his own strong condemnation of violence from any quarter. We think that a solution to the crisis depends on assuring all Haitians that their human rights will be protected, and in that context, we clearly welcome the remarks of President Aristide yesterday. Q Did he contribute to his own downfall in this situation? MR. BOUCHER: I wouldn't say that, Pat. In our mind, it's quite a different thing. The responsibility of constitutional government and elected leaders to safeguard human rights in their country is something that we've held firmly to and we have raised human rights issues in the past in connection with Haiti. But that doesn't equate to any sort of justification for overthrowing a democratically-elected government. Q Richard -- Q Just a minute. Can I -- MR. BOUCHER: Let Mr. Goshko get in here for awhile. Q Going back to this question of Aristide (inaudible), the OAS resolution says very specifically that the OAS recognizes him as the constitutionally-elected president and authority and that his representatives are the only authorized, recognized representatives of Haiti, and it calls for his immediate restoration to office. Is that the policy of the U.S. Government or not? MR. BOUCHER: John, as I've said I think several times already today, we supported the OAS resolution. We continue to support the OAS resolution. We support the work of the OAS team that's down there in Haiti, that is trying to work out, to accomplish, the goals of the OAS resolution. Q All right. Let me put it this way: Do we support the OAS resolution in all its parts and without reservation? MR. BOUCHER: Yes. Q Richard, as a result of the conversations that took place in Haiti with the OAS team and the junta which has taken over, does the United States now believe that there were worse enough irregularities in the way Aristide had acted to justify some actions taken against him by the army or whoever? MR. BOUCHER: Jim, I just said that the responsibility of constitutionally-elected leaders to safeguard human rights is one thing, but any problems in the human rights situation can't be resolved by overthrowing a democratically-elected government. Q Richard, if the parliament or whatever legislative body acts to remove him through legal ways, would you go along with that? What I'm trying to pin down is the U.S. Government's personal support for this man, because I see there may be a little gap between our position and the OAS position on the issue of insisting on Aristide's return to power. MR. BOUCHER: Frank, I think I've stated clearly for you that the OAS delegation has a clear mandate from the OAS in terms of a resolution that aims at the full restoration of constitutional authority. And it says very clearly that Aristide is the constitutionally-elected leader. The OAS team is down there now. They are trying to achieve that. We fully support them in that effort. But I'm not going to deal with hypotheticals and, you know, "Could they do it this way? Could they do it that way?" They will do it according to whatever means they can work out to achieve the goals of the resolution. Q Richard, I just want to go back to your answer on the human rights question, which seems to me -- I know you would never have meant this -- but a little bit disingenuous, because Marlin said, when asked specifically whether in the meeting with Aristide, the President discussed with him his human rights violations. He said, "No, not exactly." He discussed the importance of human rights in general and respecting human rights. And in the Secretary's intervention at the OAS meeting, while there is a general boiler plate declaration about "We abhor violence," there is also the declaration that President Aristide is the democratically-elected President of Haiti and he -- he -- and his government have and deserve our strong support. When the Secretary said that, was he aware of what certain Administration officials were quoted as saying in the days since -- that this guy is not exactly Thomas Jefferson, that he has a very questionable human rights record. I mean there seems to be a sort of strange game, and one day you come out and sort of reflexively say, "This guy has to be restored. This coup will not stand." And two days later, when some people start rifling through his record and it looks like the people of Haiti aren't so crazy about him, senior officials are quoted as saying, "Well, he really wasn't such a democrat." What is the Government's position? MR. BOUCHER: Tom, I don't know how I can deal with what you're telling me senior officials are saying, nor could the Secretary have dealt Thursday night with what senior officials said subsequently. What the Secretary made very clear was our view that violence from any quarter is not the solution to this, that the solution is to restore constitutional government in Haiti. As for the precise readout of the President's meeting with Aristide, you know, I do leave that to Marlin. But I think it was the President himself who said that they discussed human rights, and he welcomed hearing once again from Aristide his strong commitment to human rights. I have in French -- which may or may not help you -- the text of what Aristide said yesterday at the OAS. It's a clear and strong condemnation of violence and various specific kinds of violence which have occurred in the past in Haiti. I don't think that we can say that we've never had some concerns about human rights in Haiti. We have, and we've raised those in the past. Q What is it you -- MR. BOUCHER: I think the only point that I'm trying to make here is acknowledging that we've had those concerns in Haiti and welcoming the remarks by Aristide about that. There is, in no way, an attempt to justify the overthrowing of a democratically-elected government. Q But did Aristide by his actions contribute to the creation of a climate in which human rights abuses occurred? MR. BOUCHER: I don't know. That's not the kind of analysis I'm prepared to do at this point. Q Are Aristide's remarks condemning violence enough to help resolve this situation, or is the U.S. and the OAS encouraging him to do more to reassure Haitians who are concerned about his rule -- that he will be a fair ruler should he return? MR. BOUCHER: I don't think I have an answer to that at this point, Pat. It's essentially asking me to say what's enough and -- Q Is the U.S. satisfied -- MR. BOUCHER: -- what has to be done. I have to, you know, base it on the fact that the OAS currently has a delegation down there trying to work out conditions for the restoration of constitutional government. Q Can I ask one last question on this? Does the United States Government think that Aristide should be prepared to share power to a greater extent than he has with the National Assembly? MR. BOUCHER: You're asking me to specify terms and conditions. I'm not prepared to do that. I'm prepared to state clearly and forcefully our support for the full restoration of constitutional government in Haiti. Q The full restoration of government. You're saying that there cannot be a full restoration of constitutional government without Aristide, right? MR. BOUCHER: No, I didn't say that. I said -- Q I thought that's what you said. MR. BOUCHER: No. We've repeatedly dealt with the text of the OAS resolution, which, as you know -- Q But, you know, the OAS resolution says -- equates full -- MR. BOUCHER: You said "without" or "not without"? Q I said, are you saying that there cannot be the restoration of full constitutional government without Aristide? MR. BOUCHER: I'm saying that we support the mandate of the OAS resolution, that the OAS has people down there trying to accomplish what the OAS has sent them out to do, and that we fully support this. Q So, Richard, you wouldn't object to a lead of a story that says, "When the State Department Spokesman was repeatedly asked whether Aristide's return to power was a necessary condition for the return of democracy there, he declined to answer?" MR. BOUCHER: Tom, I wouldn't support that lead because I will answer you once again, as I have, I think, repeatedly: There is an OAS mission down there working to achieve what the OAS resolution specifies. The OAS resolution calls for, as we have called for, the full restoration of constitutional government in Haiti. Aristide is the democratically-elected, constitutional leader of Haiti. We recognize that. That's recognized in the OAS resolution. We'll leave it to the people who are down there now to accomplish the goals of the resolution. Q Can we have a quickie on the Middle East before we got on? MR. BOUCHER: Please, if you promise that's what it will be. Q Do you have any announcements about the Palestinian meeting, or another trip to the Middle East by the Secretary? MR. BOUCHER: No. I have announcements on neither of those subjects. Sonia? Q On to Eastern Europe? Q No, let's stay with the Middle East. Q Hanan Ashwari said this morning that she was coming here on Wednesday and would be in Washington for 36 hours and they expect to meet with Secretary Baker. Are you going to leave it to them to announce this meeting, or -- MR. BOUCHER: Well, I haven't announced anything, Johanna. Margaret has said repeatedly to you all that -- Q Soon. MR. BOUCHER: -- the Secretary expects to continue his discussions with them, and we expect to meet with them soon. But I don't have anything new beyond that. Q Richard, did the United States receive assurances from the Israelis that they wouldn't detain Hanan and Faisal on their return to Israel yesterday? MR. BOUCHER: I have no idea, frankly. Q Could you check? MR. BOUCHER: Well, you're asking me to predict what the Israelis may or may not do. Q No, I'm not asking you to predict. I'm asking you if the United States has received assurances from Israel that it will not detain them for having gone wherever they didn't go on the trip that they may not have taken from London last week to Algiers? MR. BOUCHER: Jan, I'll see if there's anything that we can say on that question. I would suggest that if it's a question of assurances from the Israeli Government, the question might more properly be addressed to the Israelis themselves. Q Well, so take the word "assurances" out and let's ask a question of the U.S. Government. If you can't get assurances answered, has the United States conferred with the Israelis about whether these people should be inhibited in continuing on their course? MR. BOUCHER: I hate to disappoint you, Barry, but I'm afraid I'm out here with nothing new to say on this subject, and I'm just not in a position to answer similar questions. Q No, no, no. You said you were going to back. At best, maybe we can get that the U.S. and the Israelis have talked about what restraints on these two people might do to Baker's attempts to set up a peace conference? If you can't say whether the U.S. has sought or gotten assurances from the Israelis, can you at least say whether they discussed it with the Israelis? MR. BOUCHER: I'll see if we have anything new to say, but I doubt it. Q While you're checking up on that, would you also find out what Dennis Ross' travel plans are -- if he's here or if he has left? MR. BOUCHER: I'm sure if we have anything to say on Dennis Ross' travel plans, we'll say it to you. I talked to him about twenty minutes to one. Q New subject? Q Do the U.S. and Russia expect to issue invitations for a conference at the end of October? MR. BOUCHER: That's not something that I have to announce for you, nor that I will decide for you. I'm sure that will be addressed by the senior levels of the government at the appropriate time. Q You're senior. You're very senior. MR. BOUCHER: Not enough. Q Richard, do you have anything on the release of an American by Iran? MR. BOUCHER: Yes. John Pattis was released on October 7, and he is now on his way home. Q Spell the last name? MR. BOUCHER: P-A-T-T-I-S. Q Is that the extent -- MR. BOUCHER: I'm afraid that's the extent of what I have to say on the subject. Q You usually thank somebody when someone is released after being manacled or held prisoner. Do you want to do that, or just say -- MR. BOUCHER: No, thank you. I'll just confirm that he's been released and he's on his way home. Q Do you have anything about the Athens killing of the Turkish diplomat? Q Excuse me. On the release of the American, does it send any signal to the United States Government? MR. BOUCHER: I have no details or interpretations of it for you, Jim. Q Does the simple fact of an American being released ahead of his term being finished send any message or signal to the U.S. Government? MR. BOUCHER: I have no such signal to portray at this point. I'm not in a position to draw that conclusion for you. I don't know what else I can say. Q Richard, one more think on this subject. He was detained and arrested and also convicted on charges of espionage. Does the United States Government think that his release indicates that the Iranian Government has finally admitted that they had made a mistake in convicting that he was a spy? MR. BOUCHER: That's the same kind of signal or interpretation that Jim is asking me to ascribe to the event, and I'm afraid I just don't have any interpretation of it for you. Now, somebody wanted to know about the killing in Athens. We deplore the senseless murder of Mr. Gorgu in what was apparently a terrorist attack. But, at this point, no one has claimed responsibility. Q Any linkage with the Rashid trial? MR. BOUCHER: As I said, as far as I know, no one has claimed responsibility. I haven't seen any statements that would -- Q Do you have any comment on the Rashid trial? Q Have you got anything on the Kurdish situation today -- new attacks on the Kurds? MR. BOUCHER: Hold on. Jan was asking me if I see any connection to the Rashid trial. Again, without a connection having been made out there, I don't think I can ascribe one. And, no, I don't have an update on the Rashid trial. Q You don't have any comment on the start of the trial? MR. BOUCHER: No. Q Can you give us a situation -- if not, a judgment -- on the battering of the Kurds again? MR. BOUCHER: The information we have is that fighting erupted between Iraqi army units and Kurdish fighters over the weekend south of Sulaymaniyah in the towns of Kifri and Kalar. Reports that the fighting continues today cannot be confirmed. We're obviously concerned about the possible effect on civilians in the area. Q Richard, that sounds a little bit like the way lawyers invite people to respond to interrogatories -- two cars were in collision. Did anybody attack anybody? Did the Kurds attack the Iraqi army or were they attacked by the Iraqi army? MR. BOUCHER: Barry, there have been various reports. I don't think I can sort them out for you at this time. Q No, no, please. I'm not asking you to sort out these reports -- MR. BOUCHER: You are. You're asking me who started it. Q No, no. I mean -- MR. BOUCHER: All I can say is that -- Q -- the State Department has -- you've got guidance there that sounds as if there was a spontaneous eruption between two forces, and I wondered if the State Department -- two days after this happened -- can make a judgment as to whether the Kurds are under attack from the Iraqi army again? MR. BOUCHER: No, I can't make that judgment for you. As you know, the area has been very tense. There have been military forces from both sides operating in the area. There have been clashes before. At this point, all I can tell you is that, yes, there is fighting. Q Richard, has any sort of warning been directed toward Iraq? MR. BOUCHER: Not that I'm aware of at this point. Q Can I get in my two questions on Eastern Europe, please? MR. BOUCHER: Sure. Q Last week the United States and Germany proposed increasing ties with Eastern Europe. Now, the Foreign Ministers of Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Poland say that's fine, but they want full membership. Can you give me a response? MR. BOUCHER: Nothing in addition to what we said in the statement last week. Q Well, this is new. This is since -- on Sunday, they said there should not be different levels of security for different nations in Europe, and they have requested full membership in NATO. MR. BOUCHER: That, again, in the end, would be a decision for NATO to make. NATO has, in the past -- and I think particularly in its statement during the coup -- issued a strong statement concerning our concern for the welfare and security of the governments in Eastern Europe. We've encouraged NATO to take this further step of enhancing liaison arrangements in a more formal arrangement. That's where NATO stands right now. Q But the United States did, with Germany, take this initiative last week which now doesn't seem to be adequate. Would it be prepared to strengthen that? MR. BOUCHER: Again, I can only report to you where we stand right now in terms of the proposals that we have. We're going to work on this. We think it's a good idea to enhance these relationships, and we hope to see NATO decide to take those steps. Q My second question is on Yugoslavia, where the fighting has intensified. The offices of the Croatian President were bombed a few hours ago and the European Community is preparing to impose some economic sanctions. Is the United States taking any similar measures? MR. BOUCHER: Let me give you the full rundown, then. Our consulate in Zagreb has confirmed press reports indicating that the federal air force attacked the city of Zagreb from the air today. Sites hit reportedly include the Republic parliament and a Roman Catholic cathedral. We condemn these latest attacks on non-military targets that demonstrate complete disregard by the federal army for the lives of innocent civilians. Such actions are unacceptable and cannot be justified under any circumstances. As the Deputy Secretary stated last week to the Serbian Deputy Prime Minister, continued use of aggressive force by the Serbian leadership, in tandem with the Yugoslav military, will only ensure their exile from the new Europe. Fighting continued over the weekend elsewhere in Croatia, as reported in the press. Our consulate in Zagreb reported that federal army troops have moved within 12 to 18 miles of the city, following Croatian attacks on two federal military installations in the Zagreb area. Several attacks on the outskirts of Dubrovnik were reported, but it appears that the historic center of the city has not been targeted so far. As for Americans, our consulate in Zagreb organized a convoy this afternoon for American private citizens who wish to leave Croatia. The convoy was unable to depart today due to heavy fighting. We anticipate that the convoy will leave early tomorrow and will travel through Slovenia and then into Austria, with Vienna as its final destination. American citizens have been notified through a warden system set up by the consulate. As far as the issue of sanctions, it's obvious to all of us that the cease-fire that was part of Friday's accord is obviously not holding. We share the dismay expressed by the EC Foreign Ministers yesterday that the commitments undertaken in Friday's accords are not being honored by any of the parties involved. We continue to strongly support EC efforts in this crisis. We remain convinced that the only lasting way to resolve Yugoslavia's problems is through peaceful, negotiated solutions. We are also convinced that a lasting settlement for Yugoslavia is not to be found in partial and unilateral solutions. We will continue to work closely with the EC and other nations to determine what steps, including sanctions, we should take in response to these latest developments. Q How many Americans would be involved in a convoy? Do you know how many are in Zagreb? MR. BOUCHER: I asked for numbers today. They just didn't have them for me. I don't know. Q And the question of the EC going after economic sanctions, you support -- MR. BOUCHER: I said we'll continue to work closely with the EC, and we'll talk to them about the issue. Certainly, sanctions is one thing that we have to consider in this situation. Q Do you have confirmation that an American reporter was killed? MR. BOUCHER: I don't think I do; no. I wasn't aware of that report. Q Could you check on it? MR. BOUCHER: I'll have to check on it. Do you know anything more about it? Q An AP reporter. MR. BOUCHER: Okay, I'll have to check on it. Q Richard, have we been in touch with the Soviet Union on the question of Yugoslavia? MR. BOUCHER: I take it you're asking recently. I know we have in the past. Let me check and see if I can get you anything on that. Q Just to follow up on that Richard: Could you also check whether the strong statement the Soviets issued either yesterday or early this morning was worked out in consultation with the U.S. Government? MR. BOUCHER: Mark, I'm sure that in the course of our consultations with the Soviets, we've been discussing our views with them, but I don't want to try to claim authorship for some Soviet statement, if that's what you're asking me to do. Q No. Could you take the question whether it was -- MR. BOUCHER: I'll check and see if we've had recent discussions and exchanges with the Soviets. Q On the sanctions, was this the first time it was publicly stated by a U.S. official that "sanctions would have to be considered." MR. BOUCHER: I guess it depends on what you call sanctions, Frank. We have previously announced and instituted an arms embargo. We have looked at our aid programs. We'll have to continue our discussions with -- Q I'm talking about trade, obviously. MR. BOUCHER: -- we'll have to continue discussions with the EC. I mean sanctions is a very broad term; and what exactly we may decide is appropriate at this point, I don't want to try to forecast. I'm not necessarily forecasting any particular kind of sanctions at this point. Q A follow-up: Croatia is going to declare independence at midnight today. What is the United States position now? Will it recognize Croatia as an independent republic? MR. BOUCHER: It's the same position that I stated on Friday. Q Richard, former State Department official Elliott Abrams is due in federal court this afternoon, apparently to enter a plea in the Iran-Contra case. He was a State Department official, apparently the only one involved in any criminal proceedings here. I wonder if you had any reaction at all about this Abrams case? MR. BOUCHER: No, I don't, Pat. It's something before the courts, and we won't expect to have any comment on it. Q Richard, back to the Middle East: It was announced this morning in Washington that the water resources summit, which was scheduled to take place in Turkey in November, will be postponed for some time in the spring, and that the United States, among other governments in the region, pushed for the delay. Do you have any comment? MR. BOUCHER: What do you mean by "It was announced?" It sounds like something I would say. Q There was a press conference by the Global Water Summit Initiative -- Dr. Joyce Starr, who is the organizer? MR. BOUCHER: I wasn't aware of that. I'll see if we have anything to say about it. Q That's what she said. Q Richard, does the release of the Terry Anderson tape send any signals about the impending status of the other hostages? MR. BOUCHER: As you know, Pam, we've tried to avoid getting hopes up; tried to avoid taking the temperature on a daily basis. I don't think that I can say that it changes the situation as far as we're concerned. We continue to support the Secretary General's efforts to secure the release of all persons held outside the legal system in the region. We continue to call for the immediate, safe and unconditional release of the hostages and an accounting of all those who may have died while in captivity, including the return of their remains. That's what is important to us. Q Richard, what about those held outside the legal system? Have you omitted them this time? MR. BOUCHER: No. I just said that, didn't I? -- "secure the release of all persons held outside the legal system in the region." Q. Sorry. Q Richard, back to the assassination in Athens. Is there any indication that this might cloud or further deepen the distrust between Ankara and Athens? MR. BOUCHER: I can't draw conclusions from it at this point. As I said, it's a deplorable act. It's apparently a terrorist action, but nobody has claimed responsibility. Q Especially in term of the proposed agreement which is partly contributed by the U.S. good-neighborliness -- MR. BOUCHER: I'm not going to make predictions on what two other governments may do and what their attitudes may be. I'm sorry. Pat. Q Richard, another question on Haiti: The State Department has expressed its concern about human rights violations in Haiti in general terms, but there are specific reports about Aristide encouraging the practice of necklacing. Can you confirm that? And do you have any reaction to that specific allegation? MR. BOUCHER: I don't have any reaction to that specific allegation, Pat. That was one of the things that he specifically condemned in a statement at the OAS yesterday; and, certainly, it's a practice that's abhorrent to us. We have, I think, expressed concern about violence there and the human rights problems there, and certainly we stand by that. Q Has he encouraged that practice in the past, though? MR. BOUCHER: I don't have that kind of conclusion for you. Q Can I come back to my question on Yugoslavia? On Friday, you spoke mostly about Serbian attempts to dominate the government and create what you call a "lesser Serbia" or "greater Serbia." MR. BOUCHER: I was also asked about October 7th and the Brioni accord, and we said, as we said again today, that we don't believe that partial solutions are appropriate; that, essentially, it doesn't change our view of the situation, and that's that there has to be a peaceful, negotiated settlement to all the problems there. Q Thank you. (Press briefing concluded at 1:25 p.m.)